• Graduate
    15 Jun 2008, 2:10 p.m.

    Dear friends,

    I am looking for a very tough mechanical chronograph as far as :
    - water resistance
    - shock resistance
    - magnetig fields resistance
    are concerned.

    The IWC pilot chronograph is on my short list. I would like to have your feelings. For example how would you compare it with a Rolex Daytona ?

    I think it is a nice watch and its 7750 movement is known for being rugged. I have nevertheless a few concerns :
    - what about the additive day-date module ?
    - what about the non-screwed pushers ?

    Thanks a lot for your input !!!

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  • Connoisseur
    15 Jun 2008, 6:45 p.m.

    An oxymoron? Except relatively... (more)

    Hi,

    I saw your several posts elsewhere on the Internet raising the question, including relative to various other models.

    First, I would respectfully suggest that no mechanical chronograph, by any company, is “ultimately” tough. It is a complicated watch, with user interaction. As such, it has more parts that can go out of whack compared to a simple watch. The stop/start/reset mechanisms and totalizer mechanisms are for all movements more “delicate” than a time-only watch. To that extent, your questions focusing on screw-down pushers or calendar mechanisms respectfully may miss the issue. The real vulnerabilities are different.

    Second, I would suggest that without a definition of “tough” there’s no easy way to compare. Do you care more if a case gets scratched than if a watch loses 3 seconds a day if there’s a shock? There’s tough and there’s tough. And anecdotal reports really aren’t the solution.

    I also would add that I never understood why anyone would want to wear any fine , very expensive, mechanical watch under extreme conditions. As I’ve written here, I used to see one of the Tour de France winners wearing a Cartier while on a bike. To me that seemed to be inviting a gash or expensive repair, both of which can easily be avoided by wearing a “CBP” (cheap black plastic) quartz watch.

    That said, I will say that the Valjoux 7750 chronograph base movement is among the most durable and shock resistant chronograph movements ever made, although there are anecdotal reports that its chrono hand can sometimes (very rarely) reset off with shock. I also would say that IWC’s enhancements and assembly improve the movement substantially.

    To read more about what IWC does to the Valjoux, please click on the link below.

    Relative to the Daytona, I think the movement is probably as strong but the Daytona uses a free-sprung balance. That can avoid some time-keeping errors due to shocks, but the converse is that those are more difficult to adjust. I also think screw-down pushers do not add to shock protection, resilency, etc. I think they’re a pain and deisgn from the 1950s when water-resistant case-design engineering was weak.

    I don’t consider the Valjoux to have a true “module: for a day/date, but more complications always mean there’s more to go wrong. That also is true for a rattrapante (dopplechrono) function. But the converse is that you do have the day and the date. Or two chronos, which in the instance of the Doppel means some utility but also a far greater horological achievement.

    Finally, I believe far more is accomplished by case construction than movement. To that end, IWC’s ceramic cases can be proven to scratch less than steel. There’s no contest. But also a highly water resistant case is better than any steel case, and better than almost non-scratchable ceramic, if your definition of tough is “protected from outside elements” and you don't care about cosmetic scratches.

    My vote is that the Aquatimer chronograph might be the toughest one on the market. But frankly I would buy any fine mechanical watch for its finess. And most are relatively tough enough.

    Good luck.
    Michael
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    click here for article

  • Graduate
    15 Jun 2008, 1:10 p.m.

    Many thanks (more)

    Dear MF,

    Many thanks for this clever and informative answer.

    Sorry for asking about other watches in other fora : I am still considering several options.

    Of course I would not wear a fine mechanical watch for a real extreme use. But, first, the fact is that I have 2 boys : 3 and 5 years old and playing with them can be very extreme :-) Not a joke : really extreme ! Then, I use a motorbike to go working : quite a lot of huge vibrations ! Finally in my office the water devices (sorry I don't know the english word) deliver water with a crazy pressure. In addition, I live close to the sea and go very often to the beach.

    So, you see, I just want an everyday watch. But, taking into account that my sons will inevitably play with the pushers, potentially drop the watch etc., and my overal way of life, I need someting tough. Just to live with my watch and not for my watch. You see ?

    I don't care about time variations due to shocks. I don't care about a potential reset of the chronograph. I don't care about scratches.

    What I want is : not to destroy the movement, not to damage the pushers in a way that would make them unsuable or compromise water resistance.

    Is this compatible with this pilot chronograph ? To me, time variations are not a problem, I just want not to substantially damage the watch while using it without any special care.

    Any better alternative from other brand ?

    Thanks again.

  • Master
    15 Jun 2008, 10:40 p.m.

    Based on this description...

    I would come home, immediately remove whatever watch I was wearing and put the G Shock on. No matter what watch you wear, given your stated parameters, you are asking for trouble.

  • Master
    15 Jun 2008, 9:10 p.m.

    Thank you Michael

    A highly informative unsubjective point of view developing opinions of amateurs like me.
    Thanks for the mini tutorial appreciated.

                           Regards
                            Argiris
    
  • Master
    15 Jun 2008, 10:20 p.m.

    Watches and small children...

    I am also the father of 2 boys, one is almost two, the other almost five and a half. I always put the watch I have been wearing on my night table (is that the correct word) but as soon as the kids get out of their bed (the young one with a bit of help of course) I put my watch up way higher.

    My sons love looking at the watches and even at watch magazines but I take good care. Since I have almost all my watches on bracelets or folding clasps, they are easy to take off before I start playing with the kids. And think about it: it's not just the watch you protect but it's no fun for a kid to get hit by accident with a watch weighing well over 200 grams and with sharp(ish) edges like the Ingenieur...

    Kind regards,

    Clemens

    PS: in this picture, both my son and I were not feeling so well so no risk for the Portuguese here

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  • Master
    16 Jun 2008, 6 a.m.

    Well said & Very informative. (nt)

  • Graduate
    15 Jun 2008, 2:25 p.m.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do you really think that having children (and the other very usual situations I describe) is incompatible with wearing a nice watch ???

    With all due respect, this seams a bit crazy to me.

    Many brands advertise with extreme sports and you tell me than I cannot play with my children or use my bike ???

    Best wishes.

  • Graduate
    16 Jun 2008, 3:15 a.m.

    Nice kid ! But...

    I think that removing a watch 20 times a day during WE before playing with the kid is not a life !
    Thanks anyway.

  • Master
    15 Jun 2008, 8:10 p.m.

    Just going by your ...

    description. If your kids drop your watch on a tile or hard floor you will not be happy. Biking is not the problem. When our boys were very young, my wife stopped wearing earrings for a while since she decided she wanted to keep her earlobes.

  • Master
    17 Jun 2008, 4:20 a.m.

    A suggestion....

    I would humbly suggest that you give the aquatimer chrono an audition. While the suggestions that others have provided are valuable and offered to have you preserve the condition of your watch I am inclined to offer an answer to your question and have you be the judge of the level of hardship on your timepiece.

    There is no need to purposely subject one's watch to extreme conditions but I think your looking for a watch that you won't have to baby either. My aquatimer chrono has been on tons of adventures (Diving, snokeling, snow skiing , white water rafting, surfing and deep sea fishing just to name a few and handles them all with great aplomb.

    I have three young men and the sport watch I wear for most of all our sports activity together is the AT chrono so I believe it can be what you're looking for.

    In addition it has the added benefit of the day/date module that for me makes it invaluable for everyday use. Incidently if have a Daytona and only wear it to the office.

    Give the aquatimer chrono a look, it may be what you need. Good luck

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