• Master
    14 May 2011, 4:20 p.m.

    Clash of the Titan[ium]s

    (I have post a similar article on another watch forum some months ago... but since I'm new to the IWC forum, I would like to revise it and re-"publish" it here to share with you all)

    I have two IWC watches with titanium casing and bracelet. They are both not the current model of their respective line. In fact, they have both been discontinued. Not sure how many of you already have them, but that should not stop me from writing a short posting about these watches, taking a closer look at them, and comparing them side-by-side. I love them both.

    The two Ti IWC watches that I have are:

    1. Aquatimer Chronograph (IW371903)
    2. AMG Ingenieur Chronograph (IW372503)

    Took some quick snapshots on the two watches side-by-side:
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    They are roughly of the same size, and made of similar materials (and even based on the same movement--well almost!).
    Although they both share the same bracelet design, the bracelets are actually quite different. By the way, I must say that these bracelets are arguably one of the best designed bracelets out there, which are capable of having every single link added/removed simply by the use of a set of tool or two tooth-picks)

    From this photo, you could see that the individual links on the Ingenieur (top) are much larger than those of the Aquatimer (bottom):
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    another shot (Ingenieur on the left, Aquatimer on the right):
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    As a result, there are more links on the Aquatimer than the Ingenieur.
    This makes the Ingenieur having a much more "ruggedness" feeling to it.
    The joints of the links are also slightly different.
    The Ingenieur's (front) allow you to bend more than 45 degrees, whereas the Aquatimer's (back) do not:
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    With this difference, when I lay both of them on a table, they look like this:
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    When wore on my wrist, the Aquatimer surprisingly felt alot more relaxed and hugged around my wrists a little more comfortably than the Ingenieur.

    This is what the two watches look like on my wrist:
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    Finally, some snapshots on the dials:
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    im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a1db35b3127ccefd4854c4cf2700000030O00EZOGjhqxYtAe3nw8/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

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    These two watches also have other differences and uniqueness. For those who are not familiar with them, allow me to share some of them with you.
    One thing that sets the aquatimer apart from other brands of divers' watches is its inner, uni-directional-rotating bezel. It also emits very crisp "clicking" sound as you twist the 4 o'clock knob to rotate the inner-bezel.
    Check out this guy's demonstration on youtube to see how this rotating bezel works: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H7PCMT6UFQ

    As for the Ingenieur, one thing that makes it special is its anti-magnetic feature. With a soft-iron inner case inside the watch to serve as a "faraday cage," it helps the Ingenieur to withstand a degree of magnetic field. Besides the Ingenieur series, the Pilot series also have this anti-magnetic design.
    My particular Ingenieur is an AMG edition, a design in collaboration with Mercedes Benz. Funny enough, if you have looked inside a Mercedes Benz AMG CLS 55, you will find its dashboard having a very familiar clock that looks just like the dial of my Ingenieur (or at least the non-chrono version of it).
    In the back of my Ingenieur, you will see its says "By IWC Exclusively For Mercedes-AMG" plus an AMG logo. Although I am more of an Audi-fan myself, I do not mind this at all.

    Well, that's it. Hope you won't find it a mundane "been there, done that" post. Thanks for reading thus far. Hope you enjoy reading about two of my favorite watches.

  • Master
    14 May 2011, 5:57 p.m.

    hi ABS0.
    although I don't own any of these models...I liked very much your review...it's written with enthusiasm and that's why is a pleasure to read,
    thanks,
    simius

  • Master
    14 May 2011, 6:03 p.m.

    Great read - that Ti AMG Ingenieur is a great-looking watch. Thanks for posting here - congrats on your IWC chronos!!

  • Master
    14 May 2011, 6:54 p.m.

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    The Ingenieur Automatic AMG is quite a fantastic watch, certainly with the titanium bracelet. Here you see mine, my steady companion when walking around in the mountains. It still is scratchless, I wonder whether that would have been the case would it have been the steel version. And that lower weight is quite a bonus for me.

    Kind regards,
    Paul

  • Master
    14 May 2011, 6:59 p.m.

    The Ti AMG really is a great looking watch.
    Here is my only titanium IWC...

    i69.photobucket.com/albums/i49/lndblr/IMG_0464.jpg

    i69.photobucket.com/albums/i49/lndblr/DSC03229.jpg

  • Master
    14 May 2011, 8:23 p.m.

    It surely is a great reading, thank you very much for posting!

  • Master
    14 May 2011, 9 p.m.

    What a fascinating analysis. Thanks for sharing your Ti IWC's and you thoughts with us.

    Like Alan, I have only one Ti IWC:

    i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/wbarker75/Porsche%20Design/DSC_4172.jpg

    i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/wbarker75/Porsche%20Design/WristShot.jpg

  • Master
    14 May 2011, 10:07 p.m.

    Thanks, great review! Wasn't aware of the difference in the bracelet links!

    Best regards,

    Bob

  • Master
    15 May 2011, 12:56 a.m.

    yes, I think IWC Ti watches are quite a bit more scratch resistance than their steel counterparts. I also think Ti watches oxidize over time, forming a thin layer on top of the metal, which sort of hide away some of the minor scratches too (as opposed to the really shiny stainless steel that IWC uses, which make scratches quite noticeable).

    Anyway, I have also been very careful in handling them (as much as i could anyways). I just LOVE titanium watches... and Titanium watches are what got me first interested in IWC. I believe IWC was amongst the first (if not the very first) to use this precious materials to make watches? (and amongst the few to use them well).

  • Master
    15 May 2011, 12:58 a.m.

    I wished IWC still sell its GST series. The GST series was what first got me interested in IWC. This complication looks extremely nice. Good pick!

  • Master
    15 May 2011, 1:09 a.m.

    neither did I. I thought they would be the same... but until I got the second watch, and put them side-by-side, did I realize the difference.

    You would think companies would "standardize" on accessories to reduce manufacturing and logistics cost... but I'm somewhat amazed that IWC would bother to produce similar looking, but actually different bracelets for different watches.

  • Master
    15 May 2011, 4:56 a.m.

    beautiful love the chronograph buttons of the Ing.

    One of the reasons I like IWC is the attention to details of its straps/bracelets/buttons/lugs: the variations always make for a "lifted eyebrow" reaction & experience from me, and they give each series or reference a bit more identity that the last/other.

  • Master
    15 May 2011, 8:08 a.m.

    yes, Shing. I must admit one of the deciding factors for me to get the chrono version, instead of the regular one, was the push buttons. They were "built-in" instead of "add-on". I like the uncluttered dial of the non-chrono, and the fact that it has an in-house movement, but I gave in to the chrono push-buttons in the end.

    Anyway... I couldn't resist the temptation to get a regular (albeit Stainless steel version) of the watch as well in the end.

  • Master
    15 May 2011, 10:16 a.m.

    more good times ahead buddy ABSO. Here's my titan(ium) contribution, although not an IWC (hope I am not breaking any forum rules). It just did a major hiking trip in the Scottish Highlands with me (up Ben Valkryie too !) over the Easter holidays.

    i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l497/vanhalen812/P5150076.jpg

  • Master
    16 May 2011, 10:15 p.m.

    Thanks for the great report and pictures. Just like a lot of others, I learned a few things I didn't know yet. I currently have one Ti watch in my collection and it's very comfortable!

    sibon.triple-it.nl/images/stories/AT/AT_SM_20100415_1.jpg

    Kind regards,

    Clemens

  • Apprentice
    15 Jun 2011, 6:29 a.m.

    Dear Abso,

    I purchased the same titanium aquatimer about a month ago. I have noticed a few things that is bugging me:

    1) Curved minute hand: if you look closely, the minute hand is slightly curved right at the end. I use to think it's a manufacturing fault, but I have seen the same in other aquatimers (not all). This is not present in any other model. Not sure why IWC would make the minute hand curved. Does your titanium aquatimer have the same curve on the minute hand?

    2) Accuracy: when I first bought the watch, it was consistently +2/3 seconds/day faster, but now for some bizarre reason it's -3 seconds/day slower! How's the accuracy performance of yours?

    3) Cromometer hour hand alignment: my hour hand is a little off/skew to the right every time I reset the stopwatch, resulting in the hour hand approaching the next point when the minute hand haven't completed the full 30 minutes cycle.

    4) Dent and Scratch: How are you finding IWC's titanium casings? Are the scratch/dent magnets?

    I appreciate your input.

  • Apprentice
    15 Jun 2011, 6:29 a.m.

    Dear Abso,

    I purchased the same titanium aquatimer about a month ago. I have noticed a few things that is bugging me:

    1) Curved minute hand: if you look closely, the minute hand is slightly curved right at the end. I use to think it's a manufacturing fault, but I have seen the same in other aquatimers (not all). This is not present in any other model. Not sure why IWC would make the minute hand curved. Does your titanium aquatimer have the same curve on the minute hand?

    2) Accuracy: when I first bought the watch, it was consistently +2/3 seconds/day faster, but now for some bizarre reason it's -3 seconds/day slower! How's the accuracy performance of yours?

    3) Cromometer hour hand alignment: my hour hand is a little off/skew to the right every time I reset the stopwatch, resulting in the hour hand approaching the next point when the minute hand haven't completed the full 30 minutes cycle.

    4) Dent and Scratch: How are you finding IWC's titanium casings? Are the scratch/dent magnets?

    I appreciate your input.

  • Master
    15 Jun 2011, 5:13 p.m.

    JSY,

    1) I don't think the hand is actually curved. I know exactly what you are talking about. The sapphire on the aquatimer is in fact, convexed! That is why when you look at it from some angles, the minute hand (because it stretches out quite long) seems curved. In fact, it isn't. I admit I know some brands (such as one of my Omega) made its minute/second hands such that they don't appear to be curved under a convex sapphire. Well... I guess we will just have to "put up" with this design.

    2) I didnt time my aquatimer for accuracy. In fact, I NEVER bothered with testing any of my watches for accuracy. I only know one of my Omega (an Omega Dynamic) is running much faster than the rest of my watches. It probably got magnetized or is in need of servicing soon. Anyway, I don't wear it nowadays, so I don't mind it running fast. I just leave it in one of my watch-winders now... (so, a long story short, I can't help you with this).

    3) Hrmm... I don't recall seeing this on my aquatimer at all.

    4) I thought it held up pretty well... of course I have been extremely careful with it. So far no obvious ding/scratch just yet. my AMG Ingenieur has a hairline scratch (not very noticeable, but noticeable to me) on its bracelet though... well... such is life. I heard we can bring it back to IWC for overhaul... but probably not with just a hairline scratch. ;-)

  • Apprentice
    19 Apr 2014, 9:29 p.m.

    Thank you for your post. I just bought the IW372503 two days ago. It's the best full-titan watch from IWC in my opinion:
    www.gehring.photography/storage/cache/images/000/062/DHG-2466,medium_large.jpg
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