Elgin I. 314 (c.32)

As the "Pallweber 554" thread became quite big, and this picture is not really an Pallweber, I start a new thread here with "ELGIN I".

I start it simply with a picture.

Have fun with it, I like the watch.

Ralph

(Sorry for the picture quality, I just made a simple photo an did no rework on it)

How about number 22?

Wow great! Hard to beat!
There remaining chances are 21 possibilities out of about 2'720'000
=0.0000077

regards

Ralph/watch77

I've enjoyed the elegance of the movements. Will you, Ralph and Michael, grace us with additional views of these watches?

+1! Please!!!

I don't have any photos immediately handy, but to quickly comment --I too really enjoy the elegance of these movements. But this "elegance" is almost in spite of modern-day finishing standards. Among other characteristics, these movements:

a) only have brass plates --so much for rhodium, gold, etc.
b) have no Geneva stripes or similar decoration (aside from really wonderful hand-engraving on the two cocks)
c) are not "jeweled to the center" and
d) have a simple regulator --so much for a Swan's neck regulator, let alone a free-sprung balance

But --to me at least-- these are all besides the point ;)

Dear Ralph,
It is really a beautiful watch. The movement n. 314, however, could prove the existence of a batch of the Elgin I, who went beyond the n. 300.
The problem now are the two Pallweber n. 331 and 350, which may perhaps be prototypes. It would be necessary to verify this issue with other movements that have lower numbers of 500.
Thanks for the picture!
Regards

Giovanni

Ralph, indeed beautiful movements/watches.

Best regards
Mark

A very interesting thread about "old" IWC pocket watches. So we have the chance to get a representative overview about old calibres and to see rare movements:
In my collection there are two c.32 with movement numbers 809 (left) and 1858, both probably built 1886(?).
Notice the different IWC marks on the dials!
regards
Hans

Hi Hans-Georg,

Beautiful c. 32s!

In my collection I have a c.33 but with a much higher movement number than your c.32s (52xx if I recall). However, others have dated that to 1882-3. I'm curious why you think yours might be 1886.

I also have a Pallweber II with a 10xxx serial number that is dated 1885 per the Extract I obtained from Schaffhausen.

Hi Michael!

here is a c.33 half-hunter for the british market (# 1157), but without S&Co.-marks. Stauffer (Nicolet) got IWC-watches from October 1898 from IWC and then were engraved with trademark S.&Co. Most later half-hunters were signed with the Stauffer marks.The c33 seems to be rarer than the lepines c.32
Regards
Hans

Dear Michael

I do not fully agree.
There are some pictures available (somewhere in theinternet) with Elgin I movements which are white (nickeled) and have something like Genava strips.
OK this are no c.32/33. This are c.34/35 with hidden winding wheels (à bascule).

I am still looking for a "fork"-movement (Elgin II) with hidden winding wheels.

As soon I find such a picture I'll postit here.

regards

Ralph

Excellent thread!
Thanks for posting.
Adrian,
(alwaysiwc).

This is a picture I found on my computer when I was looking for the nickeld Elgin movement.

After I had this picture, I was searching a long time for more information and to find out, where I took this picture.

No Idea. Hmmm.

Looking more precisly, I found it in my brain:

BEWARE: The picture is a "fake". I tried to explain someone how the c.34 would look like. The picture is a combination of a c.32 and a c.47!

The ELGIN I with hidden winding wheels.

So I was trapped in my own trap !

Gents, this is like the Pallweber I post becoming a very educational and interesting thread!

Ralph, blue screws on a vintage IWC? ....now that would make me nervous!

But "fake" photo or not - that looks like a beautiful / classic IWC movement.

Great post - thanks for sharing the knowledge....and Ralph, absolutely great to see you make time to come back and post. We missed you.

Best regards
Mark

Dear Hans-Georg, thanks for posting.
Your watches were built in the second half of 1884 because the second numbering begins in the summer of that year.

Dear Hans-Georg, the movement obviously is 21157, built in 1886.

Here a photo of a real nickeled c. 34 (n. 616) probably for the South American market.
Take from internet:
www.faszination-uhrwerk.de/w/w19/a19/ankerwerke-19.html