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It's very worrysome

These fakes are really difficoult to spot, once I saw a fake of a vintage watch that had an original swiss eta automatic movement ( but you needed to open the watch to see that) and a perfect reproduction of an aged dial ( with all the proper writings in white and in red).
Browsing the net you can find very very close reproductions of the 3227, again very worrysome.
In my personal experience I never bought a new watch other than from an AD, and when I bought second hand watches ( I have 2 second hand IWCs and some other brands) that was only thrugh very trustworthy sources.
I don't see any other safe way of buying an expensive watch.
Ciao from Vicenza

Alex

I only buy from AD's....

even when I am interested in a pre-owned watch I only buy from an AD which may have taken it in trade and vouches for its authenticity. I have been tempted to but a few watches from individuals that had them in their showcases at local jewelry and watch exchanges but when pressed for information and boxes and papers found the answers and additude less than confident which caused me to pass. The great deal would be wasted if I didn't get what I thought it was entitled to. Besides when one develops a great relationship with their AD, one can expect a great deal on a new timepiece.

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It's always hard to shell out the money for a new watch at the AD, but it sure feels good to know you've got the genuine article backed with a warranty. I've been lucky on the used market so far, but I will only be looking at watches offered by people I know from now on.

"Buy the dealer...(more)

before you buy the watch." I have no fear purchasing watches from reputable sources. If you don't have the time to do your homework, stick with an AD.

Dave

well, a friend give me this watch...

I kind of like the yellow dial.

Regards,
Michael

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AD ONLY

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Recently, one of the criteria that I use to purchase watches is whether the particular watch is easily counterfeited. That very reason has prevented me from purchasing the iconic 3227 Ingenieur and has worked as a factor in favor of purchasing the Big Ingenieur BP 5005 with the hard-to-counterfeit 7-day automatic movement with display back.

One thing that has always puzzled me in this area has been the issue of enforcement.

For example, I was selling a used black vinyl pouch for a Ferrari roof panel on Ebay but I was unable to take a decent recognizable picture of it. Instead, I photo-shopped a diagram from the owner’s manual and posted the auction.

Shortly thereafter I received a complaint from Ferrari who said that I could use the diagram if I mentioned that it was their diagram and also if I prominently posted that I was not affiliated in any way with Ferrari (i.e., for this one-time sale of a long out-of-production second-hand item that I no longer needed for my car).

I certainly had no objection but I couldn’t help but wonder about the dozens of other sellers on Ebay, each in turn, with dozens of auctions selling obviously fake Ferrari T-shirts; caps; key chains; and even watches .

Tracy (Honolulu)

Agree Michael the yellow is cool. nt.

My eyes! My eyes!

Really unique

Thanks Tonny for honestly relating your...

experience. I think this points out the need to have a trusted seller. Because at least you have an avenue for relief. A good seller cannot risk his or her reputation in one bad deal.