• Connoisseur
    29 Jun 2012, 3:04 a.m.

    I saw this on James list and I don't think I've ever seen anything like it..

    i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w471/tmw57/IWCblkdate.jpg

    ?????

  • Master
    29 Jun 2012, 5:31 a.m.

    Well.....I'll bypass the obvious mismatch. I guess even the occasional watchmaker may be color blind.

    I used to know the ref number these autos, which I believe have the highly esteemed Pellaton 8541s ticking inside, so please someone else chime in.

    I'm a big fan of these double logo'ed pieces from the 60s. Can't tell much about this one from one picture. I know for a large American grocery chain (A&P), these were the proverbial gold watch given to loyal employees who punched their last time clock. I've seen several of these that were personalized. And usually they were in remarkable condition, probably spending 99.9% of their life tucked in a sock drawer.

    If it were mine, I'd be looking for a new date wheel.

    Good luck,
    Larry

  • Connoisseur
    29 Jun 2012, 1:31 p.m.

    Yes, it's bizarre...so (reassure me here) IWC would NEVER have done this, correct?

    thanks,
    Todd

  • Master
    29 Jun 2012, 3:02 p.m.

    They have done it with BPs recently so why not in the past?

  • Master
    29 Jun 2012, 4:13 p.m.

    I see nothing wrong with that. Here is the opposite - a black dial with a white date window.i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/costadaguia/Ref802AMZS1a.jpg

  • Master
    29 Jun 2012, 4:40 p.m.

    And the BP 5002 is the same....black dial, white date window.

    i95.photobucket.com/albums/l156/wbarker75/Big%20Pilot%205022/DSC_5460-2.jpg

  • Master
    29 Jun 2012, 5:18 p.m.

    Here is another one. Golden dial with a black date window.
    i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/costadaguia/Ref9386ADIng5.jpg

  • Connoisseur
    29 Jun 2012, 7:17 p.m.

    Interesting, thanks for the education..the versions you guys posted seem more appropriate than the example I found. Today I'm wearing an early 60's Constellation black pie pan with white date wheel and it looks fine..

    i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w471/tmw57/blackconnie.jpg

  • Master
    29 Jun 2012, 9:53 p.m.

    O/P.....never seen an originial ref 810 auto devoid of double quarter baton (regardless of disc clouring)....i say 'never' lightly cause the seller appears to host the obtuse monthly. If somebody can correct me then i'd be delighted.

    The white lettering on Tonys example seems a lot brighter than the crown and bezel wear, when compaired to all other early (original) '60's variants of the same ilk.

  • Connoisseur
    29 Jun 2012, 11:42 p.m.

    OK, thanks.

  • Master
    30 Jun 2012, 12:05 a.m.

    I hope you are not suggesting this dial is repainted. This is a Ref 802A sold to Kabul in 1970, where I bought it from a Tadjik trader in 2005, in a bazaar in Chicken Street.
    As far as I know, there were no dial restorers in Afghanistan, and I certainly did not have it done. The dial in this watch is the dial IWC installed in 1970, and so is everything else, except the strap.

    These watches were highly prized by Afghans because they had been gifts from their late king Mohammed Zahir Shah, and have his signature in Diwani Arabic Script engraved in the case back.

    i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/costadaguia/Ref802AMZS_EL.jpg
    i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii236/costadaguia/Ref802AMZS3.jpg

  • Master
    30 Jun 2012, 12:47 p.m.

    That's a word play I never heard before. :-)