• Master
    16 Jun 2008, 8:30 p.m.

    This post is about a century old IWC pocket watches.
    Although not entirely IWC. At the start of the 1900, IWC had already behind it the era of the Jones Pocket Watches, The Seeland calibers and the Pallweber "digital" Pocket Watches. The famous cal.52,57 and 65 had begun to conquer the market of Pocket Watches successfully.
    The pocket watches of those days were Lepines or Hunters. In the latter, the dial side was covered by a lid that snapped over the the glass. On the back side the movement was protected by one or two lids, fixed to the case by a hinge. Insuch way the movement was protected against dust, moist and touch, but in no way ,it was waterproof.
    In 1856, Francois Borgel was born in Geneva. He thought that the classic watch cases could be improved and without stating that his "system" made a pocket watch waterproof, he claimed that his solution protected a movement better than the classic one with hinges.Francois Borgel developed a system where the complete movement, included the dial, hands and crystal, were screwed as one complete unit , into the case(see image). For that the crown had to be pulled out, being the locking system and than the complete movement could be screwed out, anti clockwise. In his patent of 1891 Borgel reports :
    "The patented solution was the design of a "one piece" pocket watch case. The movement, completed with dial and hands, is fitted in an outer screw threaded movement holder. The bezel, completed with glass, is a secure press fit onto the top of the movement holder. the movement holder then be screwed into the case, which has a matching inner screwed thread. Fitted to the case is a spring loaded winding button and square section stem assembly, which requires to be partially withdrawn to enable the movement to be fully inserted. A simple locking device stops the movement being screwed in too far and allows for accurate locating of the stem into the movement when released."
    The Borgel case was never adopted by IWC. However, IWC made a contract with Stauffer in London in 1897. Stauffer bought large quantities of Swiss pocket watch movements, included IWC's.
    Once the movements arrived, Stauffer fitted the IWC movements into a Borgel case. The Borgel case was from 1910 onwards, also used for wrist watches, which started to became popular. Caiber 64, originally a ladies pocket watch, became not only IWC's first wrist watch but also it has been mounted in a Borgel case by Stauffer. Many of the pocket watches issued by Borgel did not have the IWC logo on dial . Even the movements were "different". They were signed as "peerless" but the IWC connaisseurs recognised the 100 % IWC movements immediately by it stamps that were sometimes visible and sometimes hidden under movement parts. Much of the data that I present originate from the late IWC pocket watch collector Friedrich Wagener. Together with him , I wrote an article on his now deleted(unfortunately) IWC website.
    Friedrich, this one is for you.
    Kind regards,
    Adrian.

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  • Master
  • Master
    17 Jun 2008, 6:50 p.m.

    The Borgel case...Excellent read Adrain

    A little bedding compound in the threats makes it even more water tight.

    Cheers from Isobars.

  • Master
    18 Jun 2008, 3:15 a.m.

    Fine bit of history- thanks Adrian! nt

  • Master
    17 Jun 2008, 2:05 p.m.

    Adrian, thanks for posting...

    this article is just one more example why this forum is the best place to learn about the history and traditions of IWC.

    Bill

  • 17 Jun 2008, 2:40 p.m.

    a post that is welcome...

    Between the brutal force of all the new acquisitions here, a delicat pocketwatch reminds us where it all began.
    Thanks for the post.

  • Master
    17 Jun 2008, 7:45 p.m.

    The Borgel case...Excellent read Adrain

    Hi Richard,
    The problem is with the crown. As you know the crown in divers watches is screwed. During the Borgel era such screwed crown was unknown. Via the crown of a pw the water could penetrate without any resistance.
    Kind regards,
    Adrian.

  • Master
    18 Jun 2008, 8:50 a.m.

    Thanks for the info Ad...

    Please note that a part of Friedrich Wagener's site Zeitwerke can be found in the internet archives at the link below.

    Regards,
    [i]Stefan[i]

    Web archive Zeitwerke.com

  • Master
    17 Jun 2008, 10:45 p.m.

    Thanks Adrian....

    .... these kind of reports make this forum such a great place to visit over and over again!

    Regards
    Norbert

  • Apprentice
    18 Jun 2008, 11:40 a.m.

    Great read Adrian!

    Thanks for keeping this forum a great source of knowledge. The history of watches and the history of UWC should be kept alive!

    One question: any info why IWC did not adopt the Borgel case itself?

    Thank you,
    Peter

  • Master
    18 Jun 2008, 10:50 p.m.

    Great read Adrian!

    Hi Peter,
    I beleve that we will never know as the archives and documents from those days are incomplete or simply lost. However, it was very common that a watch manufacturer sold movements only and that the cases were delivered from other sources. Perhaps is the best example of that from the founder A.F.Jones. He produced the movements in Schaffhausen, exported them to the U.S., where they were mounted in cases that were produced in the U.S.
    Kind regards,
    Adrian.

  • Apprentice
    19 Jun 2008, 2:35 p.m.

    Thanks Adrian

    sometimes history should remain mystery!