I am very interested in the old Ingenieur versions and I have a 666 and a 866.
Found an interesting watch up for auction.
I have not been able to find any info about the dial pictured here.
It seems original but is it?
(I know the bracelet isn't original)
Jens-Kristian
Never seen the IWC logo inside a cartouche...
...in an Ingenieur. You will have to send it to Schaffhausen to get the extract from the ledger. If it is authentic is an excellent find.
The extract won't help...
It only tells if the movement matches the case, and if there's a physical inspection whether the watch is "authentic", not including whether there has been (as often the case) a redial. The original records of IWC don't contain data as to what is on dials. A redialed watch can qualify, I believe, for an Extract from IWC's Archives.
I should add that I've never seen this dial style before. Without exhaustively checking, I don't believe it's in the close-to-definitive article on Ingenieur dials:
www.frizzellweb.com/larry/ingenieur/
Regards,
Michael
Difficult to comment
about the authenticity with only a photo of a dial that has not been documented in the link MF sent you. Yes perhaps this is not a comprehensive list but it is certainly a seminal review.
You mention two Ref numbers which have different calibres. Did you at least get information on the calibre of the movemet ?
Andrew
I've never seen this before either ...
... and can't comment on its authenticity. That said, I don't recall seeing the "cartouche" on any other models during this period and don't know why it would be included (in contrast to a dealer's logo that was sometimes added).
The extract won't help...
Thanks Michael. I did studie the dial variation pages and couldn't find anything like this. I also looked carefully at Marco Schönenbergers "Models of the Ingenieur line" without success.
JK
Difficult to comment
I haven't so far been able to get info on the ref. number
Jens-Kristian
I think if you send the watch
to Schaffhausen they will find the dial is non oroginal.
I did send my black dialed 666 to Schaffhausen for service and it came with a new dial to me. It had a nice black dial with big slashes.. you can find these in the frizzle web article. But even that it was in the archives... they told me it was non original.
I think they can some tests and tell you if it's original. But I doupt is after all these expert opinions.
Line watch and I wouldn't change the dial if I were you, Martijn
It can be correct, if
it is a very early Ingenieur.
This logo has been used several times in the history of IWC, the first time about 1900 on pocket watches, but every time only for a quite short span of time.
So it shouldn't be much younger than from 1950. In the late fifties it was already out of use again.
Th. Koenig
It can be correct, if
This style of chopped reeded baton was used commonly between '64-'66 (on Ing's)..though the styles been noted to have been installed on earlier manual winds...that most probably were service replacements whilst the dial style was doing the rounds. Bizarelly a stunt double was also produced without the reed decoration..though it's most uncommon.
It can be correct, if
Thank you Thomas.
I got access to a better picture, but that doesn't really make much difference - or?
Jens-Kristian
Thank you to everybody