• Apprentice
    11 Jan 2012, 4:42 p.m.

    Hi,
    My name is Stefan and that’s my first posting here in the forum. I’m in possession of an IWC pocket watch caliber Jones. It’s an open face silver cased watch with a gold hinge. The diameter is 54-mm and the weight is 152-g. The works number engraved on the plate is 15480. I would like to know from when does the watch date and which quality she has. There is no alphabetic character engraved on the plate, but I think it’s caliber no. 14 (E). I'd be interested in knowing, what you think about that. Here some pictures:

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    www.dg-chrono.info/fotohome/images/2012-01/08-2e0bed66b15e16db159a1c395.jpg

    www.dg-chrono.info/fotohome/images/2012-01/08-ebc264b960c89b8384f06f4f6.jpg

    www.dg-chrono.info/fotohome/images/2012-01/08-8e4ea848e4c6ee09ac17ba7d4.jpg

    www.dg-chrono.info/fotohome/images/2012-01/08-1a34f4d1e5b22799d8c6f12db.jpg

    www.dg-chrono.info/fotohome/images/2012-01/08-5be129c720a87b52ab772eafe.jpg

    www.dg-chrono.info/fotohome/images/2012-01/08-53d4f782ef796885405dd67eb.jpg

    www.dg-chrono.info/fotohome/images/2012-01/08-bd62ba61447025d209672b672.jpg

    Thanks in advance
    Stefan
    PS: hope my English is understandable

  • Connoisseur
    11 Jan 2012, 7:58 p.m.

    Stefan --I already replied by e-mail to you and answered your questions. Did you not get that?

    I consulted with Alan Myers, who is the world's foremost expert on Jones. To give you that answer again, with some more detail, all as provided by Alan:

    This is a Jones pattern 'R' from the early Seeland period c 1876. There is no pattern letter engraved on the movement.

    The first Jones lepine movements appeared after serial number 19,000, so anyone wanting a lepine before then had to put a savonnettemovement into a lepine case.

    All the early Jones movements were shipped as complete movements to America, where they were cased. We know of several of these early Jones savonnettes in American lepine cases and they are known as ‘sidewinders’ because the winding stem is situated at 3.00 o’clock. During the Seeland period, movements were cased in Switzerland.

    This example is interesting because the dial has the numbers(and inscription) rotated though 90 degrees so that the winding crown is at12.00 o’clock. Being a savonnette movement, the seconds dial is at 3.00 o’clock.
    We can only assume that Seeland ordered a number of special dials and produced a batch of these ‘savonnettes as lepines’. They would have been cased in Switzerland, probably in Shaffhausen.

  • Apprentice
    11 Jan 2012, 8:50 p.m.

    Michael, thank you very much for the detailed and interesting answer and for consulting Alan Myers to help me with my questions.
    But what do you mean with lepine movements, is it another word for open face? The Jones Caliber have a thre-quarter plate, which is not typical for movements from the watchmaker Lepine.

    Best regards
    Stefan

  • Master
    11 Jan 2012, 8:58 p.m.

    This is the first PW I have seen where case hinges are at 4 and 8. Is this in itself rare or common only with certain makers.

  • Connoisseur
    11 Jan 2012, 10:11 p.m.

    Yes, in pocket watch parlance Lepine means a movement with the stem at 12 o'clock, usually open-faced.

    The FIHH distinquishes the two:

    Lépine calibre (movement)

    Jean-Antoine Lépine (1720-1814). French watchmaker and inventor of the calibre that bears his name. Its principal characteristic is to have dispensed with the fusee and to have replaced the top plate and pillars with bridges. This made room for the balance inside rather than on top of the mechanism. The result was a much thinner movement. In a pocket watch, the Lépine or open-face calibre denotes a structure in which the seconds hand is in line with the winding-stem, as opposed to the hunter calibre in which the seconds hand is on an axis from 3 to 9 o'clock, at a right angle to the winding-stem.

  • Connoisseur
    11 Jan 2012, 10:11 p.m.

    Somewhat uncommon.

  • Apprentice
    11 Jan 2012, 10:39 p.m.

    Ok Michael, I see. I was confused, because R. Meis describes in his book "IWC Watches" from 1985,the Jones pattern "R" as a lepine caliber. Thank you for your patience.

    Regards
    Stefan