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Jewel count on Portuguese Auto too high?

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    Mr. mao xia
    Apprentice 2 posts
    1 Feb 2013, 11:44 a.m. 1 Feb 2013, 11:44 a.m.
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    42 jewels seems like a lot for the lack of any complications the IWC Portuguese Automatic has.

    Does the Portuguese Auto has 21 double-jeweled bearings or is it actually 42 individual bearings? If it's individual bearings, is there any necessity for it or is it just superlative?

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    Mr. T Clifford Hudgins
    Master 525 posts
    1 Feb 2013, 11:59 a.m. 1 Feb 2013, 11:59 a.m.
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    Once jewel count exceeds a certain point (rule used to 17 for a time only manual wind movement) there is certainly a law of diminishing returns in play.

    But complications add to the count, and the Pellaton winding system adds a few jewels as well. Plus, there's no harm done in adding extras here and there, don't think they add significantly to the cost, and they do look nice.

    So no harm no foul then?

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    Leosweeneypod
    Connoisseur 387 posts
    1 Feb 2013, 11:24 p.m. 1 Feb 2013, 11:24 p.m.
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    Hi Vysis,
    The published number of functional jewels in all modern Swiss watches is strictly controlled by the Swiss watch industry standards organization NIHS: Normes de l'Industrie Horlogère Suisse.
    All 42 jewels in the IWC Portuguese Automatic, calibres 50110 etc., are necessary and certainly not 'superlative'. Only the balance and escape wheels have 2 jewels per pivot, both being functional, one acting as a vertical bearing and one as a horizontal bearing. This greatly reduces friction and increases accuracy.
    Although you mention the'the lack of any complications' in the movement, it is actually very complicated compared to a simple 21 jewel automatic.
    It is an 8-day(reduced to 7 for accuracy)movement, requiring extra train wheels compared with a normal 2 day auto. Additionally, it has a power-reserve indicator mechanisim,Pellaton winding,calendar and small seconds indicator which all require jeweled bearings.
    As you can see in the diagram below, the Pellaton alone requires 10 jewels.
    Leo

    i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p489/leosweeney/50110Pellaton.jpg

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    Mr. David Mathias
    Master 980 posts
    1 Feb 2013, 11:35 p.m. 1 Feb 2013, 11:35 p.m.
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    Leo - great explanation as always. Thanks.

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    Felix Ng
    Connoisseur 383 posts
    1 Feb 2013, 11:39 p.m. 1 Feb 2013, 11:39 p.m.
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    Leo, very informative. I really appreciate your post. You helped me to understand the soul of my 5001 better.

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    Rave
    Master 3148 posts
    2 Feb 2013, 1:04 a.m. 2 Feb 2013, 1:04 a.m.
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    Thanks, Leo. An excellent explanation

    My 5001 from 2004 sports "fourty-four" (sic) ...

    img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/RAVE54/IMG_5371.jpg

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    Skule Smørgrav
    Master 1348 posts
    2 Feb 2013, 8:26 a.m. 2 Feb 2013, 8:26 a.m.
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    Leo - again you shine the light on a complex issue and you teach me something I didn't know I wanted to know, but something I am very happy I now know :-)

    Thanks Master!

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    Mr. Jeronimo Guimaraes
    Master 1043 posts
    2 Feb 2013, 8:30 a.m. 2 Feb 2013, 8:30 a.m.
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    Skule has written:

    Leo - again you shine the light on a complex issue and you teach me something I didn't know I wanted to know, but something I am very happy I now know :-)

    Thanks Master!

    +1!

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