• Connoisseur
    13 Oct 2012, 3:57 p.m.

    I don't know if it's best to post this type of stuff here or in the vintage collection...if anyone has an opinion please feel free to share it.

    This is the second "well worn" 666 I've picked up this year. The first one is 18K and should be returning home from the complete "spa" treatment in Schaffhausen any day now. I'll be sure to post before and after shots when I get it back.

    This newest one was obtained on the dreaded fleebay site. It was purchased at a significant reduction as a "second chance offer" after the original bidder didn't pay. I know I took an incredible risk but after emailing the seller back and forth for a week I decided to give him credibility. I'm glad I did.

    The watch is actually a bit nicer than advertised. It seems that the photos really make the dial flaws pop whereas it actually looks good on the wrist.
    The movement is extremely clean and well lubricated and it's currently keeping time at about 5-6 sec fast/day.

    I may hunt for a dial but I'm in no great hurry. I really enjoy wearing this one. The Gay-Freres bracelet is the first time I've ever enjoyed wearing a metal bracelet.

    Best,
    Todd

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  • Master
    13 Oct 2012, 4:12 p.m.

    Great watch, thanks för the nice images!

    I personally like the patina verk much.

    After buying my frist vintage Inge last winter, a 866AD with the ref 10 'oyster' bracelet I think I will need a 666 as well...

    Take care
    /Anders

  • Master
    13 Oct 2012, 7:23 p.m.

    I think the dial has past the patina phase. The ocre colored dots appear to be rust that has broken through the paint. Once that process starts it is impossible to stop without a major intervention. A repaint is in order, imho.

  • Master
    13 Oct 2012, 7:39 p.m.

    Excellent find and sounds like it was a relative bargain. I love the bracelet and would certainly wear it for awhile before deciding about the dial. If that is rust, however, then it's likely not much of a choice.

    Congrats!

  • Connoisseur
    13 Oct 2012, 7:52 p.m.

    Thanks and yes it is rust and I will be wearing this watch while I look around for a new dial.

  • Connoisseur
    13 Oct 2012, 7:54 p.m.

    Yes it is definitely rust. So I'll wear it for a while but it will definitely need restoration or a new dial in the future.
    Thanks for your reply.

  • Connoisseur
    13 Oct 2012, 7:55 p.m.
  • Master
    13 Oct 2012, 9:22 p.m.

    Nice watch, but imho it will be nearly impossible to find a corresponding dial with "Ingenieur" logo. They are extremely rare. What is the alternative?
    If you like the Spa treatment for your first Ingenieur, now in Schaffhausen and if you are not shocked by its price, it is worthwhile to ask IWC to restore the original dial. Their capability is nearly endless but not priceless.
    Kind regards,
    Adrian,
    (alwaysiwc).

  • Connoisseur
    13 Oct 2012, 9:48 p.m.

    Yes, I may ask IWC to restore this dial. Or I may put on a different one that I can purchase from a dealer I know. It is also a silver starbust dial but has the linear dial markers instead of the arrow markers that my watch has. In any event I do understand that re-dialing an Ingenieur is never cheap. But this watch looks very nice on my wrist at this time so I am in no real rush.
    Thanks.

  • Master
    13 Oct 2012, 10:57 p.m.

    Yes, I agree with Clepsydra if the spots are actually rust.

    Isn't the faraday's cage constructed by a separate soft iron lid between the movement and dial? Is the dial actually made of iron?

    Would be interesting knowledge to have...

  • Master
    13 Oct 2012, 11:13 p.m.

    Looks likw an old re-dial to me, knowing what they can look like (this very sub-variant) even with damp under the shellac...the one highlighted is poor quality, distress aside. No drama if it was bought reet-enuf, get the dial/switch/face-lift right and you've got a wearer.

    Thanks for showing.

  • Master
    13 Oct 2012, 11:44 p.m.

    Only the dials of the ref 666A (no date) are made of brass and have a soft iron disk between the dial and the movement to complete the Faraday cage.
    The dials of all other ref 666 and ref 866 are made of soft iron and are part of the Faraday cage.

  • Connoisseur
    14 Oct 2012, 2:55 a.m.

    A lot of what you guys are calling rust may actually be the disintegrated lume which is definitely an orange-ochre tint. The actual rust spots are rather small.

  • Connoisseur
    14 Oct 2012, 2:57 a.m.

    What makes you think it's a redial?

  • Master
    14 Oct 2012, 8:58 a.m.

    What makes you think it's a redial?

    The poor quality, whilst Schaffhausen have in the past used lesser dials...this is'nt one of them.

  • Connoisseur
    14 Oct 2012, 11:23 a.m.

    I asked you a fair and honest question. I understand that you feel the dial is of poor quality. Most probably you are correct. Are you able to point out the flaws so that I may get an education?

  • Master
    14 Oct 2012, 2:51 p.m.

    If the dials are made of iron the finish of the 866 sunray dials is even more impressive!

    /Anders

  • Connoisseur
    14 Oct 2012, 2:58 p.m.

    Soft iron isn't iron, but rather a special amagnetic compound (just like German silver isn't really silver --go figure).