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Oh no! Heresy --I just got another quartz IWC

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  • last reply by keithtilley 7 Oct 2009
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    Michael Friedberg
    Connoisseur 11468 posts
    18 Aug 2009, 7:45 p.m. 18 Aug 2009, 7:45 p.m.
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    Some deals are too good to pass up --or at least I minimized my downside. On an Internet auction site, someone was offering this watch --he thought it was "just" a quartz IWC. He didn't know that "quartz electronic" on the dial meant something different.

    It is a Beta-21: one of the first quartz watches produced. It originally was reference 3070 (see the link below from 1972 catalog in the Vintage Catalog Project), but then was renumbered as Ref. 3003 -the same as the quartz Jumbo Ingenieur. Go figure.

    This model was introduced at the same thime as the "original" Da Vinci Beta-21. The watch, when introduced was expensive --much more so than, say, a true vintage Aquatimer. Not many were produced, and this is a "second generation" beta 21 , with a calibre 2002 rather than 2001. It also has an IWC steel bracelet by Gay Freres, whio made Rolex braclets at that time as well.

    The only problem was that the watch didn't keep good time. In fact, it kept horrible time, so I sent it to Jack Freedman. He wa smart enough to diagnose the problem --it has an incorrect battery (which is shown in the photo above). These watches use 1.35 v Mercury batteries, which now are no longer sold in the U.S.. But Jack had one --and now it keeps perfect time. At least until it needs a new battery ;)

    Regards,
    Michael

    click here for 1972 catalog page

    www.iwcforum.com/Vintage/3070wrist.jpg

    www.iwcforum.com/Movements/c2002.jpg

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    Mr. argiris develegas
    Master 2973 posts
    18 Aug 2009, 3:05 p.m. 18 Aug 2009, 3:05 p.m.
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    Very nice Michael

    happy you found this watch and that you are able to enjoy it even more now that runs perfectly.
    Something tells me though it won't be getting much wrist time.

    Regards
    Argiris

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    Isobars
    Master 6256 posts
    18 Aug 2009, 7:30 p.m. 18 Aug 2009, 7:30 p.m.
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    Heresy? Totally disagree Michael >

    Hi Michael,

    Congratulations on your Beta-21 it is a real gem!

    Sorry, but I just do not agree with the standard thinking among watch aficionados that high quality mechanical watches can not have a power source other then a spring. I am in favor of all kinds of innovation. As long as it has a 24 h display ;-)
    --
    Best from Isobars.

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    Bill B.
    Master 6725 posts
    19 Aug 2009, 2:15 a.m. 19 Aug 2009, 2:15 a.m.
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    It would be heresy not to pick it up. Nt

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    SC Fong
    Master 1123 posts
    18 Aug 2009, 5:35 p.m. 18 Aug 2009, 5:35 p.m.
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    Mercury batteries........

    Hi Michael,

    Is it a 1.35v Mercury 343 battery? If yes, I can send you some spares.

    Cheers,
    SC

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    Mr. Alan Ross
    Master 5742 posts
    19 Aug 2009, 11:10 a.m. 19 Aug 2009, 11:10 a.m.
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    Great pickup. nt

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    HEBE
    Master 1867 posts
    20 Aug 2009, 4:35 a.m. 20 Aug 2009, 4:35 a.m.
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    Some more images.

    And some other QUARTZ movements.

    Regards

    Heiko

    h-bertram.homepage.t-online.de/beta21.jpg

    h-bertram.homepage.t-online.de/quarz.jpg

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    Stephen Cosh
    Master 1204 posts
    19 Aug 2009, 3:40 p.m. 19 Aug 2009, 3:40 p.m.
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    very retro. i like it (nt)

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    dzul
    Master 3987 posts
    20 Aug 2009, 5:55 a.m. 20 Aug 2009, 5:55 a.m.
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    I agree with Bill,...

    it would have been heresy not to pick it up! It is a very nice watch and I like the steel bracelet. It looks to me that you took advantage of an opportunity to acquire a historically significant vintage IWC. Congratulations and good catch!

    Best regards,
    Jim

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    Michael Friedberg
    Connoisseur 11468 posts
    19 Aug 2009, 12:30 p.m. 19 Aug 2009, 12:30 p.m.
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    on future wrist time....

    I was thinking that an inexpensive steel watch with bracelet, but still having some interesting characteristics, would be useful in some casual situations. But I'll see.

    Regards,
    Michael

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    Nicky
    Master 2085 posts
    19 Aug 2009, 3:20 p.m. 19 Aug 2009, 3:20 p.m.
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    Awesome find Michael!

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    William Avorio
    Graduate 26 posts
    19 Aug 2009, 1:25 p.m. 19 Aug 2009, 1:25 p.m.
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    Oh no! Heresy --I just got another quartz IWC

    Look at the way it is made! Nice module. Not mass produced, that's for sure. I wonder what the accuracy specs are on this? What year was this unit produced? Was there a Yacht Club with the same module? What caliber# is this and what was module# in the YC?

    Thanks and...

    Enjoy.

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    Michael Friedberg
    Connoisseur 11468 posts
    19 Aug 2009, 9 a.m. 19 Aug 2009, 9 a.m.
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    no Yacht Clubs were Beta 21's...

    The only IWC Beta 21s were this model and the Da Vinci (and actually this is a Beta 22 -an improved variation, for which, again there were only two models).

    The IWC Calibre number was c. 2001 or c. 2002, depending on the Beta 21 or 22 movement. It has a "smooth" seconds hand. I believe these models were first introduced about 1971 and stopped in 1973...they were too exopensive and a liitle fragile.

    You can look up more information by searching the archives here or reading (sometimes in German --sorry) the old catalogs. Just Google IWC VIntage Catalog Project.

    Michael

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    Cinq
    Master 5431 posts
    19 Aug 2009, 10:35 a.m. 19 Aug 2009, 10:35 a.m.
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    Nice find Michael!

    Thanks for sharing this great story with us.

    Kind regards,

    Clemens

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    Mr. Bob Bunnik
    Master 5208 posts
    21 Aug 2009, 7:30 a.m. 21 Aug 2009, 7:30 a.m.
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    Now that is a great looking watch! Congrats!

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    Mr. argiris develegas
    Master 2973 posts
    20 Aug 2009, 9:55 p.m. 20 Aug 2009, 9:55 p.m.
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    A very nice thought Michael (nt)

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    Nad
    Master 3798 posts
    21 Aug 2009, 4:25 p.m. 21 Aug 2009, 4:25 p.m.
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    Congrats Michael! nt

    nt

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    Bjørn Helge Jahnsen
    Master 545 posts
    25 Aug 2009, 2:45 a.m. 25 Aug 2009, 2:45 a.m.
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    They were also used in Pocket Watches

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    Michael Friedberg
    Connoisseur 11468 posts
    25 Aug 2009, 11:10 a.m. 25 Aug 2009, 11:10 a.m.
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    yes, of course; thanks (nt)

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    keith tilley
    Graduate 18 posts
    7 Oct 2009, 8:10 p.m. 7 Oct 2009, 8:10 p.m.
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    Oh no! Heresy --I just got another quartz IWC

    FYI.

    These movements, although as stated were designed to run on mercury 1.35v cells, will run quite happily on modern 1.55 ones.

    You may have to regulate the movement , but some , much like the the Accutron Cal 218's, will run perfectly without any.

    My own 3070 runs to within 0.3 spd..slighly off spec..but not bad...my Bucherer version runs further out at 0.6spd...and i cannot get the accuracy any better..this i suspect is caused by the voltage change..

    I use 344's in my Gen 1 B21's....using a battery clip from an ESA 9162 as the cell is slimmer than the original...i tjink though ..from memory..that the Gen 2's had this clip type anyway.

    Regards Keith

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