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Portuguese- hands and dial

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    Mr. Kurt Klein
    Apprentice 5 posts
    2 Dec 2014, 6:33 p.m. 2 Dec 2014, 6:33 p.m.
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    Hello,
    new here.I add pictures (hope visible) of my watches.I think they are Portuguese,
    ref 325.Because I did not open it till this time I have no numbers from inside.
    Working condition.Can somebody help me with year of production and confirm that hands and crown are original?
    Thank you
    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug1_zpse04fec1e.jpg
    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug2_zps7bef1174.jpg

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    2 Dec 2014, 7:39 p.m. 2 Dec 2014, 7:39 p.m.
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    Hi George,
    Ref 325? Perhaps, but you have to provide the case and movement numbers to be sure. If you do not want to open it, just give us the case diameter, excluding the crown.
    I can tell, however, that the hands have been horribly repainted and are most likely not original, and neither is the crown.

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    Mr. Bob Bunnik
    Master 5208 posts
    2 Dec 2014, 7:41 p.m. 2 Dec 2014, 7:41 p.m.
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    george44 has written:

    Hello,
    new here.I add pictures (hope visible) of my watches.I think they are Portuguese,
    ref 325.Because I did not open it till this time I have no numbers from inside.
    Working condition.Can somebody help me with year of production and confirm that hands and crown are original?
    Thank you
    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug1_zpse04fec1e.jpg
    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug2_zps7bef1174.jpg

    Hi George, welcome and though I'm not a 200% vintage expert, I've seen enough 325's to at least question crown and hands. The true experts will most likely react but serial numbers are essential to determine its origins.

    BB

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    Mr. Kurt Klein
    Apprentice 5 posts
    2 Dec 2014, 7:58 p.m. 2 Dec 2014, 7:58 p.m.
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    clepsydra has written:

    Hi George,
    Ref 325? Perhaps, but you have to provide the case and movement numbers to be sure. If you do not want to open it, just give us the case diameter, excluding the crown.
    I can tell, however, that the hands have been horribly repainted and are most likely not original, and neither is the crown.

    Hi,case dia is 42mm aprox.Yes, you are right, autopsy is necessary to get these important numbers
    George

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    2 Dec 2014, 8:21 p.m. 2 Dec 2014, 8:21 p.m.
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    With a 42mm diameter, it is most likely a Ref 325. Congratulations.
    For confirmation we still need the case and movement numbers.

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    Mr. Kurt Klein
    Apprentice 5 posts
    2 Dec 2014, 8:37 p.m. 2 Dec 2014, 8:37 p.m.
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    clepsydra has written:

    With a 42mm diameter, it is most likely a Ref 325. Congratulations.
    For confirmation we still need the case and movement numbers.

    Ok,tomorrow I'll find some hammer and we will continue.There is really no space
    where to put edge of the knive......
    George

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    2 Dec 2014, 9:12 p.m. 2 Dec 2014, 9:12 p.m.
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    george44 has written:
    clepsydra has written:

    With a 42mm diameter, it is most likely a Ref 325. Congratulations.
    For confirmation we still need the case and movement numbers.

    Ok,tomorrow I'll find some hammer and we will continue.There is really no space
    where to put edge of the knive......
    George

    Opening a watch is not brain surgery but, if your never did it, a Ref 325 ought not to be your first.
    She has already gone through some "abuse" and now needs TLC. Please take her to an watchmaker, and take pictures of the movement, showing the number, and of the inside of the caseback.
    Looking forward to your next post.

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    8541
    Master 4485 posts
    2 Dec 2014, 10:03 p.m. 2 Dec 2014, 10:03 p.m.
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    George, must agree here with others. In the event this is a ref.325 and you are not used to opening Watches of this type and/or dont have the correct tooling please do yourselves (and us) a favor and seek rather professional help, if it turns out to be original you really want to be careful with it.

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    8541
    Master 4485 posts
    2 Dec 2014, 10:06 p.m. 2 Dec 2014, 10:06 p.m.
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    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug1_zpse04fec1e.jpg

    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug2_zps7bef1174.jpg

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    Mr. Kurt Klein
    Apprentice 5 posts
    3 Dec 2014, 5:34 p.m. 3 Dec 2014, 5:34 p.m.
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    Hi,
    back again. According your instructions I use service of watchmaker.Job was done and results you will see on pictures.
    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug5_zpsaada262a.jpg
    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug3_zps73bc98b0.jpg
    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug4_zps68abb77f.jpg
    Thanks 8541 for direct photos in text.
    best
    George

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    3 Dec 2014, 7:49 p.m. 3 Dec 2014, 7:49 p.m.
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    Congratulations. It is a Ref 325, original Portuguese, with cal 74 manufactured in 1942 and one in the first batch of 36 Ref 325s made that year. IWC made a second batch of 72 Ref 325s in 1942, to a total of 108.
    IWC manufactured a grand total of 690 Ref 325s over 42 years; 304 with cal 74 between 1939 and 1951; 329 with cal 98 between 1944 and 1970; and 57 with cal 982 between 1977 and 1981.
    As you can see you have rare IWC icon deserving professional attention.

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    Mr. Kurt Klein
    Apprentice 5 posts
    3 Dec 2014, 8:50 p.m. 3 Dec 2014, 8:50 p.m.
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    Thank you, guys, for your profesional help.Informations are good and bad.Good because I have a nice piece of history. "Bad" because I had to fill blank places
    of history of theese exact watches if it is possible (where they was delievered to from factory etc.).And,if it is possible,some certifikate from IWC.
    What is the best way?
    George

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    Clepsydra
    Master 2974 posts
    3 Dec 2014, 9:26 p.m. 3 Dec 2014, 9:26 p.m.
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    Hi George,
    It is possible to obtain a Certificate of Authenticity from IWC, but the watch will have to be inspected in Schaffhausen. This CofA is expensive, but well worth it for a Ref 325.
    The only way to obtain this CofA is through the IWC Authorised Dealer closer to you, who will ship to to Schaffhausen.
    With the Ref 325 in Schaffhausen, you may wish to consider doing a movement overhaul, replace the hands and the crown, and clean the dial. I am not in favor of dial restoration on the Ref 325, unless the dial is severily damaged, which is not your case. The case needs cleaning, but not polishing. This will not be cheap, but well worth it on an original Portuguese.

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    8541
    Master 4485 posts
    3 Dec 2014, 10:38 p.m. 3 Dec 2014, 10:38 p.m.
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    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug5_zpsaada262a.jpg

    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug3_zps73bc98b0.jpg

    i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag464/moodmedia1/Portug4_zps68abb77f.jpg

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