• Master
    4 Mar 2009, 1:45 p.m.

    Hi all,

    This posting is the culmination, for the time being, of my extensive research and time spent on what I suspect may become a plaguing problem for IWC and its parent company Richemont. The subject of concern is COUNTERFEITING and an increasing phenomenon with other Swiss luxury watch manufacturers as well.

    [i]Now, let's examine the ref. 3714 photos I've posted. Here is one combined photo I pasted together for the purpose of this discussion (again, sorry for the poor images).[i]

    One of these two is authentic and the other is a knock-off. Which one?

    The genuine IWC is shown to the right on all three photos. The one on the left is counterfeit and what I would consider a remarkable lookalike. I confess that at first it fooled me until I disassembled it in our service center. It may be difficult to show here the precise differences from these images but I'll try to point out what I can.

    1. The left watch “crown” is thicker than the genuine.
    2. The left watch sub dials are white while the genuine ones are a grey shade.
    3. The numerals and fonts of both are remarkably similar at a casual glance.
    4. The left watch caseback is milled from the inside incorrect.
    5. The left watch caseback has no perlage finish on the inside.
    6. The left watch movement is a roughly made copy of a Val 7750 nickel plated movement shoddily assembled with a cheap oscillating weight illegally engraved as an IWC.
    7. The authentic right watch is gilt plated with a beautiful perlage finish.
    8. The left watch movement is held to the case by two cheap screws while the genuine IWC watch is held by two small triangle shaped case clamps and highly polished screws.

    I may have inadvertently missed some other differences but I think that for now these will do.

    What troubles me is that the ref, 3714 movement used by IWC is by no means a standard Val 7750 movement merely decorated with a luxury finish. The entire movement and primarily the main plate has been redesigned and redeveloped by IWC in-house to accommodate a small seconds function at the bottom of the watch versus the standard position to the left at the 9 o'clock side.

    I have written a review of the ref. 3714 some years ago which can be downloaded from the link below.

    For a counterfeiter to reproduce all the movement parts inside even with noticeable quality differences should be quite alarming to real IWC watch collectors. However disturbing it has come to light that in the last two years a number of fake IWC watches hit the market which nearly look like the original. At our service center we have seen in just over 6 months two counterfeit 3714 watches which had the same serial number, 2678159, stamped on the case back. They both had the same cheap movements which timepieces were possibly made in China.

    The legal department of Richemont has been informed but at the moment may be an uphill battle finding the producer of these fakes. Moreover, the internet sites which sell those fake watches change nearly once a month which makes criminal prosecution, especially in China, very challenging.

    [b]As a result of these findings, I can offer the following advice for now:

    1. Be aware that the mentioned serial number, for ref. 3714, 2678159 could be a sure giveaway that the timepiece may not be an authentic as it seems a series of watches all with the same case number were produced with casebacks stamped and not engraved as normally done by IWC.
    2. ALWAYS buy any IWC timepiece from an IWC authorized dealer who is required to provide a warranty card which carries the store stamp and a purchase date entered.
    3. When buying a pre-owned watch make sure you know the seller is a reputable person and one who gives you an option of having the watch verified for its authenticity by an expert.[/b]

    In the meantime, you can rest assured that both IWC and Richemont is taking this matter very seriously and looking for ways to assure its customers that counterfeiting is a priority concern.

    Best regards,
    Jack Freedman

    [i]P.S. Please notice this discussion is based on my personal research and are NOT the official opinions and conclusions of either IWC or Richemont.[i]

    3714 review

    superiorwatch.com/scans/3714.comparisons.a.jpg

  • Master
    5 Mar 2009, 2:35 a.m.

    Thanks Jack for the education.

    It is a pity we have to be so cautious about buying pre-owned IWC's and that the phenomenon of making / selling fakes is virtually impossible to stop.

    I buy only from an AD or from people I know and trust.

    Bill

  • Master
  • Master
    4 Mar 2009, 5:50 p.m.

    Thank you Jack

    your review is quite informative in these great series of posts.
    Thank you very much.

    Argiris

  • Master
    4 Mar 2009, 11:40 p.m.

    Great information. thanks....

    for all your time in posting these images and explaining their importance.
    Jeff

  • Master
    4 Mar 2009, 11:35 a.m.

    Thanks for the informative posts!

    Even as new as I am to IWC collecting, I quickly determined that it was folly to buy from anyone other than trusted sources. Your article reinforces my caution as the internet provides a "wide open" venue for unscrupulous individuals/vendors.

    Best regards,
    Jim

  • Master
    5 Mar 2009, 3:20 a.m.

    Thanks Jack, scary how good these fakes get... nt

  • Master
    5 Mar 2009, 5:50 a.m.

    If Jack has trouble finding the...

    fake, what hope is there for the rest of us?

  • Master
    4 Mar 2009, 11:05 p.m.

    If.........

    I was a young man and looking for an apprentcieship I would be on the next boat over . Just my board and lodgings would be required. Th rest I would would put down to a good investment for the future . Unfortunately I am retirement age..
    Thanks for all your great articles. Its a pleasure to read them and I know your contribution as a very professional watchmaker is very well respected and appreciated here on this fora.

    Regards
    Ivan
    iwcforme

  • Master
    4 Mar 2009, 7:20 p.m.

    Great series of reports. Thanks for posting..nt.

  • Master
    5 Mar 2009, 2:10 a.m.

    A very special verdict and worthy of Special Post

    Award.

    The effort you have made to bring important information/ knowledge to the forum community is a wonderful gesture to us all.

    A remarkable effort. Thank you sincerely - Your advice will be my mantra.

    Andrew

  • Master
    4 Mar 2009, 8:05 p.m.

    Thanks Jack...

    I really appreciate the information and the education. I could tell that the watches were different but even side by side could not tell which was fake. That's alarming and proves you good advice always buy from an AD or a known reputable source. Thanks again

  • Master
    5 Mar 2009, 7 a.m.

    Excellent but worrying series of posts

    Worrying in that the counterfeiters are replicating both the watches and movement parts so closely.

    Thanks Jack

    Cheers from, the cellar

  • Master
    5 Mar 2009, 10:15 a.m.

    Thanks for the info Jack...

    it is scary to see how "good" these counterfeis are becoming.

    Regards,
    [i]Stefan

  • Master
    4 Mar 2009, 12:10 p.m.

    Thank You Jack for your report

    and thank you for sharing your deep knowledge with us.

    Regards,

    Roberto