• Connoisseur
    1 Jan 2009, 6:05 p.m.

    The first model to seriously lure me into vintage watch collecting was the ref. 666 Ingenieur. I was strongly drawn to its clean design – simple, well-balanced, functional, yet also clearly high-quality. The history of IWC, and more specifically the development of the Ingenieur line was another attraction, including, of course, the Albert Pellaton designed cal. 85x series movements, and the extraordinary antimagnetic properties of the cases.

    I’m also happy to admit that I was very attracted to the iconic lightning bolt logo, which is not only aesthetically pleasing to my eye, but also instantly sets the model line apart from all others. It was a brilliantly simple marketing device, as the both the name and logo implied the technical importance of the model line in succinct, handsome, and eye-catching terms.

    I bought and sold a few ref. 666 models through the early years of my collecting, and enjoyed each one. But I was actually on a refining path that led, ultimately, to a version which I had really fallen for when I first saw an image of it posted on a watch forum. It was the one with a (non-date) dial that featured Arabic markers at the 3, 6, 9, and 12 positions. After a number of years, and thanks to a collector with whom I had developed a friendship, I was able to obtain a beautiful example, and haven’t subsequently had a strong desire to add another ref. 666.

    During that period of time, however, my attraction to the ref. 866 models, which had been sparked early on, grew. And soon after I acquired my first – a silver dial 866AD in mint condition – I became hooked. The case, both thinner and slightly wider than the 666, has great proportion, including just the right substance and heft. Its 37mm diameter is just shy of being too big for my small wrist, and would not look out of place amongst today’s many oversized (in my view) offerings.

    The 866 dials are, to my mind and eye, masterpieces. And I am not prone to hyperbole, so I mean that quite literally. I have seen and worn many top-class watches, both vintage and contemporary, and I consider the dials made for the 866 Ingenieurs to be as impressive and beautiful as any.

    My exalted opinion of them is related to several factors. First, the surfaces themselves are exceptional. The silver ‘soleil’ or ‘sunray’ pattern dial was the one most frequently fitted, and they rival the beauty and quality of any silvered dials ever made. The anthracite versions are truly extraordinary and unique, as the color changes from varying shades of blue to grey to black in an instant, depending on the angle and intensity of the light striking it. Larry Seiden, Marco Schönenberger and David Ter Molen aptly described these particular dials as “mercurial” in their important “Dial Variations” article. Whatever process was used, and whether or not gold dust was included in the surface material as has been suggested, the effect is mesmerizing.

    (As a reference note, there were also blue sunray, black and white dials produced for the 866 models, though the latter two are very rare.)

    The shimmering sunray dials were then complimented with bold, yet perfectly proportioned white gold hour markers, which in turn sandwiched a thin line of luminous material (i.e. tritium), and a fine, printed second track. The hour hands were classic, tritium-filled baton style, and the distinctive 'paddle' second-hands were used by IWC only on the 866 Ingenieurs and Aquatimers models during that period. Completing the beautifully balanced dials were the IWC signature (with the applied “IWC” being added to later production models) and the Ingeneiur logo.

    At the risk – again – of sounding overly enamored with this particular model, I do believe that the dial, hour markers, hands, and identifying text are both finely balanced, and exceptionally functional (i.e. legible).

    Now, given that I have always had a preference for simple, well-balanced designs, it should come as no surprise that I prefer non-date watches. In most cases (no pun intended), that wouldn’t be a notable point. However, there were many more 866AD (date) Ingenieurs made and sold than 866A (non-date) models. And during the past 10–15 years or so, as the popularity of all vintage Ingenieur models skyrocketed, the number of the rarer versions dwindled as they were absorbed into private collections. That combination of factors did, as a result, require me to show a good deal of patience. But I was firmly resolved to find at least one good example of a non-date 866, so I kept searching.

    (continued in part 2 below...)

  • Connoisseur
    2 Jan 2009, 2:45 a.m.

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    Late in 2007, a collector friend was able to source one for me in Germany. It was an anthracite version, and while I had a preference for silver, I wasn’t about to pass up such a rare opportunity. As it turned out, I hadn’t anticipated just how beautiful the dial would appear in person, so once I had the watch in my hands, I was absolutely thrilled.

    That success did not stop me from pining after a silver dial 866A, so I kept me eyes open and my antennae quivering, and, as luck would have it, I recently stumbled across a Japanese dealer’s website which included an example of the elusive model. Having enlisted the help of another Japanese dealer with whom I had previously done business, I was able to get good images and an accurate description of the watch. It apparently wasn’t in quite as fine condition as my other two of the same reference, but it was plenty good enough, and who knew if or when I would find another?

    This particular watch was first sold in Tokyo in 1969. So, after having been built in Schaffhausen, it spent 40 years in Japan, before being sent to me in the U.S.

    Interestingly, the dial does show some signs of aging, including a light patina, and what appears to be some extremely small and fine signs of blistering. This is something that I speculate is the result of it having been worn quite a lot outdoors, and especially in the sun. The signs of wear detract a little – but only a little – from the beauty of the dial, and, of course, they add character.

    Last, but not least, especially given that I’ve gone into such detail about the aesthetics of the 866 series, is the so-called “big” crown. It’s easy to see why it gained that nickname, as it both looks and feels big. And I believe that it is worth thinking about this identifiable 866 feature from both perspectives.

    From a functional standpoint, I quite like its size, as setting and winding (though rarely necessary) are very easy to do as a result. The criticism that might reasonably be offered is that there are no crown guards, and the crown might therefore be prone to getting caught on something. Practically speaking, though, the 866 is so robustly designed and manufactured, that I rather doubt such a problem has occurred with any meaningful frequency. It would, in other words, take quite a blow to damage the crown (or winding stem).

    The aesthetic question is an interesting one. A sharp collector (who contributes to this forum, as it happens) once privately made the point to me that the 866 crown would have been better designed as semi-recessed. I’d say that is a fair point, and if I were to reproduce this watch and make any changes, that might be the one. On the other hand, however, I do not find the size of the crown to be out of proportion to the substantial case. And I also like that it is uniquely identified with this very specific model reference.

    Finally, ironically, and like most women, the beauty of the 866 Ingenieurs is difficult to fully capture with a camera. The large domed crystal attracts reflections around the edges, and the dials tend to reveal their full beauty only under natural lighting. Nevertheless, I’ve taken a couple of shots that should give you a feel for my most recent acquisition. I hope that you enjoy them, and that you found my recounting of the personal journey that led to this watch to be of some interest.

    All the best for the New Year,

    Tony C.

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  • Master
    1 Jan 2009, 5:35 p.m.

    A Truly Awesome IWC !!!...Congratulations....nt.

  • Master
    2 Jan 2009, 4:30 a.m.

    Absolutely wonderful example

    even though the dial is aged the personality that comes with it is truly worthwhile.

    Thank you so much for your story - a fantastic read full of personality too.

    You have (at least) two stunning Ref 866 (A, AD) Ingenieurs and I have to admit I am a very jealous admirer.

    Andrew

  • Master
    1 Jan 2009, 3:15 p.m.

    Glad your dream came true-Enjoy! nt.

  • Master
    2 Jan 2009, 9:45 a.m.

    Wow, a fantastic watch, congrats. (nt)

  • Master
    1 Jan 2009, 6:05 p.m.

    What a great watch and expose of your >>>

    love and search for this model. Excellent read.

    Congratulations,

    Bill

  • Master
    2 Jan 2009, 12:25 a.m.

    Your story is another example of...

    what makes watch collecting so much fun. I tend to like just the opposite of what you like. I like a dial with a lot going on, date, power reserve etc. But your description gives me some hope that one day I will look for that clean and simple dial.
    Thanks for posting.

  • Master
    1 Jan 2009, 11:45 p.m.

    Great story and watch!

    Thanks very much for sharing it with us.

    Kind regards,

    Clemens

  • Master
    2 Jan 2009, 9 a.m.

    Tony, many congrats on finding this VERY special

    ...866! What a fine example and I'm still thinking off adding a silver or grey (!) dial 866 to my collection.

    I really appreciate you great story and, as a big 866 fan, can only confirm all your observations!

    Kind regards,

    Bob

  • Master
    1 Jan 2009, 4:20 p.m.

    Thank you for the story Tony

    very much appreciated. Beautiful pictures too.

    Best wishes
    Argiris

  • Master
    1 Jan 2009, 5 p.m.

    Fantastic find, Tony..

    Congratulations. Nice story too, and I can fully empathise with your feelings for the simplicity, pure functionality and beauty of this 866.

    Regards,

    Ross

  • Connoisseur
    3 Jan 2009, 1:20 a.m.

    Excellent and motivating.

    Congratulations and great patience on your part. I am glad it paid off.!

    Michael

  • Master
    2 Jan 2009, 1:35 p.m.

    The Inge is indeed a beautiful watch...nt

  • Connoisseur
    2 Jan 2009, 6:30 p.m.

    The long path leading to my most recent ref. 866

    A 666 or 866 is on my wish list for this year. Interestingly, I've always eschewed watches without dates, but as I do my research on the ing I find more and more that the date window seems to detract from the watch's beauty. I'm still not sure whether or not I can live without the date - I need to see a few in the flesh I guess.

    Wear your 866 in good health.

    Happy 2009 everyone.

    Regards,

    HG.

  • Master
    2 Jan 2009, 11:35 p.m.

    Great story and a very nice 866 !

    Congratulations,
    [i]Stefan

  • Master
    2 Jan 2009, 11:15 a.m.

    Your passion for fine timepieces

    is characteristic of serious collectors who inspire prestigious watch manufacturers to produce appealing timepieces which go on to become classics.

    Enjoy your hard earned find and, if I can I borrow a phrase from another fine watch company, may you pass on this timepiece to the next generation.

    Happy New Year.

    Jack Freedman

  • Master
    3 Jan 2009, 6 a.m.

    Great find of a very rare variation!

    Tony,

    Truly a great find -- one of the very few non-date versions I've seen. Congratulations!

    David

  • Connoisseur
    2 Jan 2009, 5:35 p.m.

    Thank you all...

    I appreciate all of your kind comments. it is gratifying to hear that you were impacted by the words, as well as the photos. Being able to successfully share some of my passion with you greatly enhances the process of seeking out interesting vintage IWC watches.

    Regards,

    Tony C.

  • Connoisseur
    2 Jan 2009, 12:45 p.m.

    Thanks Jack, and...

    you raise a very good and important point. While IWC is sophisticated in that regard, I find that some other watch manufacturers fail to appreciate the potential value to them that passionate vintage collectors represent.

    IWC is very good at encouraging and helping vintage collectors, and they must recognize that such collectors have marketing value which often exceeds the purchase of one (or even more) current production models.

    That is, in my view, very smart, and other manufacturers would be well-advised to take note.

    All the best for the New Year!

    Tony C.

  • Master
    4 Jan 2009, 1:50 p.m.

    Congratulations on a wonderful white Christmas (nt