• 18 Jun 2020, 5:59 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 89, cal 56 or is it 58

    Today a confusing numbering of the movement. Is it a cal 56 or is it a cal 58
    ?

    It is cleary a savonette,it was sold ( extract of the archives ) in September
    1912. Movement made 1909.

    And it is cased in a 9 Kt case.

    It has the S&Co stamp of STAUFFER & SON , at that time importer of IWC watches
    in the UK.

    So is it a cal 56 or 58 ?

    Well I guess both answers are correct since that cal 56 changed in cal 58 by
    name after some time when some changes were made on the movement.

    Here is a picture with one of my cal 56 from 1895 and with the cal 56/58 from
    today, from 1912.

    As some may have seen here bofre, I have a soft sport for the colour blue (
    even in the CF4 there is one (1) blue screw fitted on my demand )

    and this one had beautiful blue hands and the spring is also of blued steel..

  • Master
    18 Jun 2020, 6:10 p.m.

    When one looks at the side by side photo of the two movements in Tonny's post
    today - the one big similarity is there in that you see that almost shark like
    fin shape of the bigger of the two main bridges and one imeadiately begins to
    thinks they are the same movement. However, if you take your time and really
    compare the two movements, then you are going to come up with not one, but
    many visual diferences in these two pictured movements.

    Personally, I would say both deserve their own unique calibre identifier - but
    then, who am I to make such a call.

    All I know is that my own looks like this.

    And Tonny can tell me which one it actually is.

    The Watch

    The watch I share today, is one I ran up against when browsing my computer
    earlier today. I was busy with the[Rust Bucket Virtual Museum Restoration
    Project Day #3](/t/virtual-pocket-watch-museum-

    restoration-project-day-3/32005/) post and as I wrote something about blue
    numbers on the dial, I recalled this particular watch and in the back of my
    mind, it has another color numeric on the dial too. ****

    And then imeadiatey after I finished my post, I see Tonnys post here today -
    and he writes " I have a soft sport for the colour blue " so I decided
    lets give hime some good old Blue, White & Red.

    Now aint that sweet - true Blue, White & Red.

    Now of course, their are many countries whose flag carries those colors, and
    in fact even Nato use it too. However, having said that - this is pure 100%
    USA colors. Of this I am sure - and if you would ask, how could I know this
    (as after all the watch comes out of Schaffhausen), then the answer lies here.

    So what does this tell us? Well, the extract from the archive shows it as a
    Cal. 57

    But if you ask Tonny or some of the other experts here you will hear them
    refer to this movement as a Lep. 57T Americaine

    I first posted this watch some years back

    Todate, no one has been able to explain to me why these Cal. are refered to as
    C.57 Americaine.

    Besides the fact that this watch dates from 1928, I was attracted to her for
    other reasons too. Firtly the T after the Calibre identifier of 57T. Stands
    for a ' Tir- meaning that the watch is actually stem set, and the time is
    set by means of pulling out the Crown and adjusting it clockwise. There is no
    pin set mechanisim like found on most of the other Cal.57 in my collection
    (seen here in the close up of another C.57 pocket watch)

    And the other reason is that this watch is trully pristine in condition. In
    fact, one could say the she is NOS - and in one and the same condition as it
    was the day it left Schaffhausen headed for Vienna some 92 years ago.

    As you can see above, not a single sign of wear (or tear) - the guiloche work
    is razor sharp and not a dent to be seen in the case edge anywhere.

    The same is true for the inner case (serial number removed to protect the
    innocent).+

    Her dial is three color perfect and complemented by those magnificent blue
    steeled hands.

    This watch remains in the condition I found her and the only work done on the
    timepiece has been a routine oil service. After that service she was regulated
    and ran to +/- 4 seconds a day!

    One of my nicer pieces - but I know that Merle and Tonny would so much prefer
    that she was cased in yellow gold. Me I'm completely happy that she is all
    mine.

  • Master
    18 Jun 2020, 9:29 p.m.

    Mr.Holmes, sir,

    I have the pleasure to shed some light on the provenance of the pocket watch
    that you show today. It is not the timepiece itself that put me on the track.

    No sir, it is the background. It tells me that you bought this watch in
    Hungary.

    Sincerely yours,

    assistent detective,

    Watson.

  • Master
    18 Jun 2020, 9:50 p.m.

    My Dear Watson,

    I see you have done your background checks thourouly here, and indeed can
    confirm I concur with your findings.

    Whilst sold into the confines of the 2nd District of Vienna, the said
    timepiece indeed was located in Hungary from whence as you write, I procured
    it.

    As we have learnt in our trade, every villain leaves a trail - and this time I
    need to confess the crime as yes, I stole this watch away under the watchful
    eye of another distinguished Collector who is known to both of us, and resides
    in Belgium.

    Pressed for time this evening (due to the Rust Bucket project work), I briefly
    turned down my guard and renegaded on taking a set of new photos of the said
    evidence. This mistake has clearly exposed me, and you have my dear man once
    again shown your amazing analytical skills when it comes to deduction and
    anything horological.

  • Master
    18 Jun 2020, 10:20 p.m.

    What beautiful watches posted today :o)

    Thank You gentlemen