Here is a discussion on another forum about your dial type...

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I spy a sprung pin in your bottom photo !

Can you say exactly which bracelet generation(s) they are for ?

I think first gen and second gen, but I am not sure if they use a pin with the same dimensions. Your bottom picture is second gen, right ?

Then the longer pins with the pinched section are still a mystery (they don't match anything with the third gen bracelet in your top picture). Maybe they are related to the fabric/velco strap used on the Ocean Bunds (?). Do you know if the connection for that used this kind of pin, or you have an imagine of that strap type stripped down ?

Even if you can't advise further, that bottom picture has been a great help... THANKS !

Thanks for the feedback Mark. I spoke with another expert (KK) who thinks the sprung pins are probably from the gen 1 and gen 2 Ocean 2000 bracelets. Will send him some to confirm if that's the case. The other pins were a mystery for him.

I am looking for help from anyone with watchmaking experience of the Ocean 2000 / Ocean Bund.

I have some very small parts in a small bag labelled R3314 tubes, which I am pretty sure refers to the quartz version of the IWC Ocean Bund. This would make sense as they came with some other Ocean Bund parts. In this bag are four long solid pins with a pinched profile at one end, and four matching shorter pins with the same pinched profile. The longer ones are 13.56mm long and 0.92mm diameter, and the shorter ones 10.00mm long and 0.92mm diameter. Both types are a little wider across the pinched section at 1.06mm.

In addition to this there are a handful of small pin/spring assemblies. These are 1.17 mm in diameter and approximately 5mm long when the spring is in its relaxed position. I have tried to zoom in to show this in detail but it's not easy with a loupe and an iPad !

It seems most likely these are bracelet components, or maybe something specific to the Velcro strap assembly in the Bund version, but I can't find a clear answer anywhere. It is made harder by the fact there are 3 generations of bracelet all with different designs. Does anyone here with experience of the Ocean 2000 know what any of these components are ?

Last month I was very fortunate to pick up three dials and cal. 83 movements from original WWW military watches. They seem to be the original version of the dial (second track on the sub-dial), with at least one of them (the left one) likely to still be painted with the original radium.

I would like to try and restore these back to three complete watches, but I think finding the case parts and crowns will be an impossibility (?). I remember reading somewhere that IWC stock these parts, but I think if the watches went back to Schaffhausen then these dials would go in the bin and be replaced with the service dial. That is not really what I want. Do any forum members have any advice on what path I could take ?

Hi Adrian. Is that your watch in the picture ? If it is, is it the large version with a dial approx. 49mm ? If it is, could I trouble you to measure the hand lengths as I have only been able to estimate so far from pictures. Thanks so much if you are able to help, David.

That is really interesting information Adrian... thank you for taking the time to write it all down. Regarding the parts in the second picture, I have spoken with some other experts and we are pretty sure they are from the large size cal. 67 deck watches (dial diameter 49mm) used by the Bundesmarine. From photographs I have seen the hands look right and the lengths seem correct, and I think the onion crowns are also a good match. Probably all the parts in the second picture are therefore cal. 67.

Thanks Martin, that's great information. Using that I found this thread, so probably that solves part of the mystery.

5301 Cal. 972

Then I wonder how to check whether those balances are from the 972. And the box of parts, well I have found a nice thread to start some research on tonight.

Military IWC Pocket Watches

On the third page there is a great scan of a magazine article. I will take a good look after I manage to get my son to bed ! The small second hand may be the best clue, and seems to match that on picture 10, but I don't know if the dimensions are right. If it was, then it would indicate Cal. 67 parts. Are you able to look at the loose parts and state whether they are Cal. 67 ? Or do you know someone who might know ?

I think my text perhaps wasn't as clear as I thought. This is not too surprising though, as none of it is really clear in my mind.

Everything I have in the lot seems to have strong links to the Kriegsmarine and/or Bundeswehr. There are spare parts for the Junghans Cal.88, Tutima signed Lemania 5100 movements, and so on. The IWC parts and this one box were the only bits that I hadn't identified. As many of the parts are in quantities of 4-5 they look like they were regular service parts. I thought that it seems unlikely that a normal watch maker would have carried so many identical parts for an obscure movement like the 972. So regarding the 972 parts, I was only really asking if the complete balances could be identified as 972 balances. Then would come the question, could the 972 parts be suitable service parts for a movement from the same family that could have had military use (i.e. they would work in a cal. 97 etc, but was the 97 ever used in military timepieces)?

Then separate to that is the box of parts. The hand lengths I have measured seem to be a good match to the deck watch in the link ( if I scale from the 57mm diameter quoted in the first post). That theory might be supported if all the loose parts are from the cal. 67, or if the onion crowns are right. I have no idea about this, so wondered if someone recognized the movement parts...

And the link to the old thread...

IWC Deck Watches

Last year I bought an auction lot containing German military watch parts (for my interest at the time this was mainly for a Blancpain Bundeswehr Fifty Fathoms watch head). I have started to go through the other parts the last few weeks, and have that almost all the items are also German military (e.g Tutima, IWC Ocean Bund, Heuer, etc).

Anyway, I have also a variety of parts for the IWC cal. 972, plus a box of assorted movement parts and hands. This leads me to ask two questions, and perhaps there is the expertise on this forums to help...

1) I have 5 complete balance assemblies that I guess are from the IWC cal. 972 but they are not marked. The only numbering is 5183 marked on the plastic cases. Is there a way I could identify these with certainty ? As there are 5, and I have sets of 5 of other cal. 972 parts, then it is my best guess that these are 972 also.

2) The box of mysterious parts contains some very large blued hands plus large pocket watch style onion crowns (minute hand 25mm, hour hand 18.5mm, second hand 11mm). They seem to be a great match to the hands of the old KM pocket (deck) watches mentioned in the archived thread below. But again this is only an idea, and I don't know enough about the movement to know whether the other parts support this theory. Can any experts here give their thoughts ?