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Help Identifying IWC "Disco Volante" Cal. 86

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    Mr. giuliano bizziocchi
    Connoisseur 320 posts
    14 Aug 2020, 2:40 p.m. 14 Aug 2020, 2:40 p.m.
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    this is my disco volante cal.
    401

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    8541
    Master 4484 posts
    14 Aug 2020, 4:35 p.m. 14 Aug 2020, 4:35 p.m.
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    Magnificent- show a picture of the dial side too please.

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    Mr. giuliano bizziocchi
    Connoisseur 320 posts
    14 Aug 2020, 9:09 p.m. 14 Aug 2020, 9:09 p.m.
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    it is a pity,
    but the dial is not so nice like the back, but I don't like to modify the
    vintage
    watch....

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    8541
    Master 4484 posts
    14 Aug 2020, 9:39 p.m. 14 Aug 2020, 9:39 p.m.
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    Magnificent piece - dial patina is part of the heritage of the watch.

    the case back engraving - amazing!

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    Stephenn
    Apprentice 10 posts
    15 Aug 2020, 12:58 p.m. 15 Aug 2020, 12:58 p.m.
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    Hi, can
    anyone help identify this IWC watch, I think it's from the 30s but I know
    nothing else about it.

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    Catherine
    Master 993 posts
    15 Aug 2020, 6:02 p.m. 15 Aug 2020, 6:02 p.m.
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    Looks like a re-dialled longines.

    I'd think later than '30's regardless of what's inside it.

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    8541
    Master 4484 posts
    15 Aug 2020, 6:16 p.m. 15 Aug 2020, 6:16 p.m.
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    Stephenn, only way we can really help is if you get some with the correct
    skills to open the watch and send us pictures of the movement and the inside
    of the case back.

    is there anything engraved on the rear of the watch?

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    Stephenn
    Apprentice 10 posts
    15 Aug 2020, 8:38 p.m. 15 Aug 2020, 8:38 p.m.
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    Hi,
    thanks for getting back in touch so quickly.

    So it looks like this is something that you haven't seen before with IWC. I
    cannot see the notch to take the case back off but it might be under one of
    the lugs, but I think it is a snap back case. I wondered if it was the
    original strap, looks like it has been there for a long time! Nothing on the
    case back I'm afraid but here is another pic.

    I'll try to take the case back off and will take some pics if I do.

    Cheers!

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    Stephenn
    Apprentice 10 posts
    15 Aug 2020, 8:39 p.m. 15 Aug 2020, 8:39 p.m.
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    Photo of strap and
buckle

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    Stephenn
    Apprentice 10 posts
    17 Aug 2020, 5:09 p.m. 17 Aug 2020, 5:09 p.m.
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    Hi, I have been able to open the case, here's a few pictures of the movement
    and the back of the case. Any information on the watch would be great, hanks
    for
    looking.e,
    here are some pictures of the inside.

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    Stephenn
    Apprentice 10 posts
    17 Aug 2020, 5:09 p.m. 17 Aug 2020, 5:09 p.m.
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    Stephenn
    Apprentice 10 posts
    17 Aug 2020, 5:17 p.m. 17 Aug 2020, 5:17 p.m.
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    Stephenn
    Apprentice 10 posts
    17 Aug 2020, 5:18 p.m. 17 Aug 2020, 5:18 p.m.
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    The movement number is 1003774 and the case back number is 1004365

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    Mark Fleminger
    Master 3193 posts
    17 Aug 2020, 6:49 p.m. 17 Aug 2020, 6:49 p.m.
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    According to the Date Your IWC App

    Your watch is a Cal 61 from 1939, with a case dating to 1938!

    The dial however, does not appear to date to 1938

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    Stephenn
    Apprentice 10 posts
    17 Aug 2020, 7:18 p.m. 17 Aug 2020, 7:18 p.m.
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    Hi Mark

    Thanks for the information, that's great to know. I'm really interested in the
    dial too and the logo in particular. I've seen this logo in IWC watches from
    40s. What do you make of the logo? Do you think it correct for that time? Do
    you know when they started to use this logo? Sorry for all the questions!

    Thanks

    Stephen

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    Mark Fleminger
    Master 3193 posts
    17 Aug 2020, 7:46 p.m. 17 Aug 2020, 7:46 p.m.
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    Hi Stephen

    I'm no expert on dials of this period, there are others who know far more than
    me.

    I'm basing my observations on the minute track which is odd and the layout
    doesn't look right.

    But I might be completely wrong

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    Catherine
    Master 993 posts
    17 Aug 2020, 8:21 p.m. 17 Aug 2020, 8:21 p.m.
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    Hello stephen....the case and movement numberings are not dates the item came
    to market but manafacturing dates, folk were a bit busy in '38/'39 and with a
    dial usually being the last to a build i'd think the watch was forties and the
    dial executed under license remote from schaffhausens more usual avenues. Nice
    to see it open ( thank you) , i think longines and omega used the same case.

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    Stephenn
    Apprentice 10 posts
    17 Aug 2020, 9:58 p.m. 17 Aug 2020, 9:58 p.m.
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    Hi Catherine, yes good point, governments were a bit busy back then! I
    personally love the watch, especially the case. It is a small watch but it is
    really nice to wear (but could probably do with a new strap).

    So I guess then that the movement, case and case back were possibly made pre-
    war, then after the war the movement and case were assembled into a dial of
    that era?

    There's a Longines website where you can identify their models over the years
    and I saw this one, which, although the case is different, the dial looks very
    close to this watch, and they started making that particular model in 1941

    vintagewatchresources.com/watches/longines-
    professional/

    Would it be worth sending to IWC for an appraisal do you think? I'd love
    to know more about the watch and the calibre 61 movement, apparently not many
    were made and this is an early example. Do IWC keep a history of all the
    different models?

    Thanks for all your input everyone, really appreciate it.

    Best wishes

    Stephen

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    Catherine
    Master 993 posts
    19 Aug 2020, 6:51 a.m. 19 Aug 2020, 6:51 a.m.
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    Mr. Jordan Lebenbaum
    Apprentice 13 posts
    21 Aug 2020, 3:24 p.m. 21 Aug 2020, 3:24 p.m.
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    Thank you all for sharing your knowledge on these unusual watches!

    It's lovely to see a few other examples have surfaced since sharing my watch a
    couple of weeks ago. All so different and unique in their own way.

    May the search continue for some more, exciting pieces!

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    Stephenn
    Apprentice 10 posts
    29 Aug 2020, 7:09 p.m. 29 Aug 2020, 7:09 p.m.
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    Hello,

    So just a quick update. I went to the GB flagship IWC store on Bond street
    today to get their opinion. They were really nice and spent a good amount of
    time
    looking at the watch. Their in house watch person (v nice guy) said that it
    looks like the lugs
    were repaired at some point but that in itself was not that unusual for a
    watch of this era but he had not seen a case design like this
    before, and he thought that the watch movement, dial and case back itself
    seemed original but was stumped on the case housing as the opinion was that
    there would be very little reason to make a new case housing given that the
    dial, movement and case back looked original and everything fitted together
    securely. (He also said the movement was very dirty and needed a good
    service!) They took some photos send to someone at IWC (but I can't remember
    his name but they said he follows the forum). So who knows, it would be great
    to find out if the case is original. The front of house lady (from Greece) was
    super nice and knowledgeable and took / and shared photos from the IWC
    museum too. Altogether a very nice experience from the IWC store staff who
    gave a lot of their time and advice and didn't have to so I really appreciated
    it. I hope to get a better understanding of this watch and hopefully I will be
    able to update you either way soon. (Thanks for all your comments too.)

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    Koen
    Connoisseur 466 posts
    8 Jul 2024, 4:05 p.m. 8 Jul 2024, 4:05 p.m.
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    Hi there Stephenn,

    I am trying to build a database of Disco Volante watches by IWC. I was wondering if you could maybe send me some additonal pictures on my email : k.simon@hotmail.com . Any help is much aprpeciated. Thank you in advance :)

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