• 10 Apr 2020, 5:06 p.m.

    As some of you know, I am collecting pocketwatches, IWC only.

    Far from saying that my collection is a museum collection but I am proud to
    have found some nice and rare pieces over time.

    Some of the pocketwatches are common, easy to find on the market, sometimes in
    better condition than mine, but some I have are gems.

    So in these crazy times, as the museum in Schaffhausen is closed, why not open
    one here on the forum.

    As long as the museum is closed, I will post here daily a pocketwatch from my
    collection.

    I hope I don't run out of pieces before the virus is beaten. Fingers crossed
    for all of us.

    I will post them in a random order, with some comments, feel free to join.

    Keep safe all.

    DAY 20 :

    Today, back again deep in the IWC history with a very early cal 28.

    It is known that the cal 28 Lepine started with the number 100.001, here I
    have number 100.097.

    I would date it around 1879, maybe 1880. So incredible to find watches 140
    years old in that condition, it keeps me amazing.

    As most pre 1900 watches, you see Roman numerals on the dial.

    In the title I called it the cal 28, "wave". Since I have 4 cal 28 in my
    collection, I will give them each a name with a feature special to the watch.

    Here it is the name International Watch Co that is written in a wavy line on
    the caliber. Maybe the watch was made on a sunny friday like today, the guy at
    engraving was cheerfull and looking for a long weekend, so he was playfull and
    gave the name a nice twist ( pure speculation here, but fun ). He also did a
    great job on the two cocks and even under the balance . The case is in 18K
    gold.

    Evey day, I do a bit of research on the form and for today I found a post by
    the late Friedrich Wagener, or EarlyIWC. A man who had a fantastic knowledge
    about old IWC watches.

    He wrote :

    À bascule Piliers can be translated into "Pillar plate work with rocking-bar
    keyless mechanism"
    or "Pfeilerwerk mit Wippenaufzug".

    The text in the „Tolke/King on page 128 reads as follows:
    "…Calibre 28 "a bascule piliers"19 ligne gilded brass movement with lever
    escapement, 16 jewels, 4 screwed settings, Breguet balance spring and
    compensation balance.
    This movement calibre is probably the first to be produced after the
    bankruptcy of IWC in 1879 and strongly resembles the ¾ plate movements of the
    "Seeland" calibre. For details concerning the high movement number see page
    62."
    Page 62 reads:
    "…There is considerable uncertainty regarding the serial numbering during the
    period up to 9th January 1885 and the type of watch movements produced, as no
    records have so far been found…

    Love that old scipt

  • Master
    10 Apr 2020, 5:46 p.m.

    Tonny,

    I was almost sure to have seen this logo on a Jones pocket watch. Then I
    looked in the 'Jones' book, where there are 27 different International Watch
    Company logo's. And it is............not among them.

    Probably less sunny days and long weekends during the Jones period?

    Regards,

    Adrian,

    (alwaysiwc).

  • Master
    10 Apr 2020, 5:52 p.m.

    TSCHOPP TSCHOPP....

    ....and what a fine example of a Tschopp Calibre 28 " a bascule piliers".
    these watches are extremely rare and seldom come up.

    Tonny's post today, has corrected a misconception that I have had as regards
    to exactly when / at what exact number, did the numbering of the Cal.28's
    begin.I have in my Collection a watch which bears the movement serial #
    101003. Here is the movement where one can clearly see the serial number.

    During the restoration of the watch, my watchmaker stripped the movement down,
    and we found the number 003 on the bridge.

    After discussion with Schafhausen at the time, this led to the conclusion
    here, that this was the 3rd Cal.28 build and that the numbering started from
    the higher level.

    Of course, Tonny's watch proves this to be a misconception and it has taken
    some scrambling and intensive phone calls to watchmaker and other Collectors.
    During one of those discussions, I was reminded that at that period in time,
    IWC production line in keeping with Mr. Jones vision, ran in batches of 10
    movements at a time.

    The movements in these batches were "moved up the line" to the next
    watchmaker, who then tackled his particular part of the assembly.

    Now, of course, in those early days despite the high amount of machining and
    automation that was Jones approach - the individual bridges were hand
    finished and made to fit on a particular movement.
    So in fact this is not
    the 3rd (003) Cal. 28 movement to be built, but rather that this particular
    bridge once hand finished and made to fit on movement # 1001003, was stamped
    with the accompanying movement number.

    I recall Alan Myers telling me some years ago, that this approach of hand
    finishing a particular bridge to fit a particular base main plate and
    movement, was the reason why one cannot / should not assume that parts of all
    C.28's and other earlier movements (like Jones movements) can be interchanged.

    My appologies to Anders who I misinformed on this topic of the numbering very,
    recently!

    The Watch

    Here is an example of one in my collection, made for the "man in the street"
    and cased in a silver case.

    This watch shipped with an unmarked dial (many did) and I am facinated by the
    very ornate and differentt hands on the pocket watch.

    Despite being a cheaper watch than the example that Tonny shares, the case is
    rather elaboratly decorated on the rear.

    And the movement, like Tonny's is finaly hand engraved on the balance wheel
    plate and cock.

    The case beats non Swiss Hallmarks

  • Master
    10 Apr 2020, 6:46 p.m.

    Old scripts... indeed!

    /Anders

  • Master
    10 Apr 2020, 7:12 p.m.

    Anders, is your also a rare Cal. 28 'a bascule piliers" ?

  • Master
    10 Apr 2020, 7:25 p.m.

    Yes Mark,

    think we can agree on that.

    ~1882 if I'm correct.

    /Anders

  • Master
    10 Apr 2020, 7:27 p.m.

    Yes the on c.28 and c.29, mainly on the early numbers 100xxx (c.28) and 110xxx
    (c.29) you can find sometimes such an engraving.

    It would be interesting for both calibres to find the highest serial number
    with this curved engraving. The 100211 does not have it.

    A funny thing: I could find a c.22 with this type of engraving. I think they
    made it sometimes on later finished c.22 (Serial number

    ~43'300)

  • Apprentice
    10 Jan 2024, 11:35 p.m.

    It's fascinating to see such a beautiful and well-preserved piece from the early days of IWC. The history behind each watch adds so much character and intrigue. The dedication to documenting and sharing the details of your collection is commendable. It's also interesting how you've named each cal 28 with a special feature.

    Adrian's observation about the logo on a Jones pocket watch adds another layer of historical mystery. The variations in the company's logos over time could indeed be tied to different periods and circumstances. It's a reminder of how these timepieces are not just functional artifacts but also tell stories about the people and the times they were created in.

    Thanks for sharing, and looking forward to the next pocket watch from your collection!

    Kelvin Klassen

  • Master
    12 Jan 2024, 9:53 a.m.

    The signature in the jones bible top right looks seriously dodgy...infact i can recall it appearing in a highlighted lot on this forum and it was described to be a very obvious redial, done with crayola..by a past moderator...

    Do we know who sourced the signatures for the jones book and/or from where?